Many nuggets of golden knowledge in this thread. i wish i had the knowledge that @HappyTrees23s shared about temps a week ago.
As far as Nitrogen goes for seed production I have a simple way of viewing it. Our seeded ladies are just Pregnant women. It’s not even an analogy thats literally what they are. We want our pregnant women well fed borderline fat, healthy- but like if they want to eat lard let em. Give em extra calcium( or in their case silica) cause they are forming extra skeletons inside of their body.
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Hello all. I am pondering the experience you have with cloning autoflowers with the express interest in seeding them.
Who’s done it ? I took cuttings a week ago from numerous autos for this reason. I did not pollinate them but now thinking back on it i assume some of you would have?
Please let me know your “theories” on the matter even if you haven’t done it. Now that the cutting are a week or so old i assume they will root out any day now(in rockwool) I’m thinking maybe now is a good time to knock em up.
Thinking back on it now. Pollinating, waiting a day or two. Then rooting while seeds are foriming would probably have been the most ideal. ? who knows.
-here is a good read
# Cloning Feminized Autos and Reversing the Sex on the Clones with STS for Pollen
Anyone wanna weigh in on this ? or have any other links?
Pollen days prior to cuttings
pollen at the time of cutting?
pollen at pre formed root hairs?
pollen after full roots?
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Can we talk about seed production on plants that are not in flower? I have not done it personally but recently read post claiming it works with no issues.
For example. pollination pre hairs on mother plants or pollinating and re vegging simultaneously.
Anyone on here have first hand experience and any notes to relay? If this is already discussed please point me to it.
bump. bump. bump
Okay so if no one has any opinion or experience how about reveging after the beans had time to bake?
Surely this will work fine.
Like right now my goal would be to knock up a plant withn the next 3-4 weeks. Cook the beans for another 5-6 then attempt to re veg seeded up mamma outside as a summer plant.
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Yes it’s definitely possible to make seeds on veg plants. I’ve done it before by accident and on purpose. The seeds that come from those plants are viable but they only produce a few seeds per plant
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While I haven’t personally tried seed production on non-flowering plants, but heard it might work smoothly
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The question would be how could you feed that plant if she is in veg but making seeds … 
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I would probably go steady 5-4-4 or or 10-10-10. Once I see a transition give an extra nitrogen boost but keep P and K level.
Basically just stick with flowering nutes + extra nitrogen and transition to veg nutes as needed. Bt by that time an older plant that had alrd vegged produced seeds and used energy re vegging. She is gonna be one hungry lady .
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I see, but plants don’t like Nitrogen in mid and later flower stages, that was my concern, different needs in different stages … 
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Its’ not that they dont “like” nitrogen in flower its that we dont want them to have excess when they dont need it for cell devlopment. I would think in this case the nitrogen would be a necessary building block. A lack of available N could lead to cells not having the energy needed to form everything properly.
But what do i know??
Thats what discussion is about right.
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I once ran a cycle where I just gave them veg feed the whole time. The plants were a little leafier than they might otherwise have been.
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Agree 
, I heard and excess Nitrogen in flower stage guides the plant to concentrate energies on developing leaves instead of using it on forming the buds , not to speak the final harsh taste of chlorophyll (specially in growers that doesn’t flush 
), more opinions needed anyway… 
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I’ve frequently pollinated pre flower calyx’s and they work fine. I mostly selectively pollinate because a whole plant will make thousands of seeds, and I don’t have a need for so many every time I make seeds. I’ve frequently pollinated, left them a few weeks and then flipped to veg cycle as the extra light speeds them up. I’ve also noticed that seeds I have made using dwc or hydro don’t seem to last as long, not sure why or if anyone else has this issue.
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nice, i have mothers with dozens of hairs. This to me is a game changer. To know i can make S1s on my mother plant in veg is fuckin awesome.
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(reverse a clone and pollinate the prehairs on mom)
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Reversing it might be a different story if it’s only in pre flower, I’ve never seen or heard of them reversing like this but I definitely know they can be pollinated.
Edit: understood. That will work fine.
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so cool but to look at the other way.
To my understanding its 100% possible to make a single branch flower by putting it on its on light cycle.
I would assume- theoretically- you could reverse that branch.
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I have also heard that, though I’ve never tried it. I have had good luck freezing pollen mixed with ultra fine Diatomaceous earth, it doesn’t clump like flour and is a natural desiccant and it seems to keep the pollen viable for longer.
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good thread. thanks for dropping your wisdom y’all.
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There is a grower on reddit that has done it. I linked it in this thread if you’re interested.
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There is that one study that was done a while back.
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