Malagasy Khat

Continuing the discussion from Malagasy Cannabis:

Thanks @sayrum ,

Those sessions are quite rare !
Need to go easy on that 'gasy khatball mix, Rhum and Khat can’t be an everyday thing for me.
Yet I can use few leaves some mornings infused in black tea. I personally like the smell and taste too.

So the ginger and the kola nuts (high caffeine content nuts) are cut into pieces, basically to fit the bottleneck, while a handful of whole Khat leaves are put into the Rhum, soaked for 2-3 months minimum. This mix is highly enjoyable and reputed to be aphrodisiac .

Khat wine is a thing in South Africa and Ethiopia.

If you want more info on Khat growing and “qat wine” :

I got few rhum bottles full of khat leaves, vanilla, zamal that are soaking for over 3 months now… The longer seems the better. Rhum becomes red when infused with khat leaves for long enough.

“Commercial” Malagasy Rhum Arrangé with Khat, Kola and Ginger, tastes absolutely amazing, uplifting, warm effects:

I personally fill the whole bottle of leaves, but it’s for that special occasion one shot. Alcohol is not very good for you anyway…

In Madagascar, khat use is huge and obvious in the north and east coast. It was brought by Yemenites in the 1900s . All the growing happens in the north. Long time ago, the state tried to put the plant as illegal, it wasn’t possible because too deeply rooted in those communities, people were highly upset. Yet I remember that I first used and saw khat use in Mahajanga in 2018 until 2022, got back there this year, apparently the daily plane from Antsiranana (far north) got cut down so people switched to kola nuts and Khat became harder to find than weed.

washed leaves already sorted:

Back then it was impressive. It’s very hot and dry up here, people do naps around midday, leaving the streets totally empty… until 2 or 3 pm when that flight used to arrive from Antsiranana, suddenly a lot of people would appear from everywhere and rush on those huge piles of fresh khat packed in bundles brought by trucks to buy some. Then suddenly everything was taking life again, but I think it makes people nervous at some point, at least I felt quite some tense feelings when people didn’t chew yet.

In Ambanja, Nosy Be you can see a lot of public use too. People got huge cheeks as they keep the leaves sometimes for days and keep adding some again and again. The dialect is already hard to understand, but the mouth literally full of khat, it’s another level of difficulty!

Quite common to see in the Malagasy bars of those areas people drinking beer, sharing khat branches and smoking joints. Khat is often forbidden in westerners touristic places, signs with “no katy” pop up here and there. Some use Khat at day to go through work and relax at night with zamal and rhum…

Zamal and Khat:

Chewing is not viewed as the same in the highlands and the south, less people use it and it is a bit badly viewed too.

edit : During my experience I found that there is big leaves and narrow leaves with red branches… Effects and taste between the two are a bit different, locals seems to prefer the fresher narrow leaves with red branches… The older the tree is the better it is supposed to be as well.

Cheers :slight_smile:

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I lost my khat like 7 years ago. I had a red vien one.
would love to grow it again. Also lost my Erythroxylum novogranatense
last year that i had for almost 5 years godam shame

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Oh what happened ?
There is different kinds, in Madagascar is more cultivated as a shrub, while in Kenya it is grown as a large tree…

Are you sure you are not confused with Kratom ?

Erythroxylum novogranatense seems like a cool plant too :sunglasses: but I guess the effects are different!

Some interesting info:

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It was totes khat I found a super old blurry pic maybe 12 years ago.

It got spider mites and I think I just stopped caring because a few chews yielded little to no stimulation. I was young.
I hope to have one in my collection again one day.

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Hi there,

Got some khat, with some red branches, did few experiments with rhum. I used white Rhum and after 6 months of let it soaked it turned red, and very strong taste and effect.


On the other side the bottles I made few weeks ago are still green. It’s originally ginger rhum mixed with moonshine :


Some of the plant already cut :

Cheers

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Some shots of the ones I got in my garden.

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Is khat a stimulating herb? I know I’ve heard of people chewing it, but what are its effects?
I like that your doing infusions with it :+1:

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Amazing !!

I never had the chance to see the plant in the ground yet ! Only already cut and ready for use.
The red branches and narrow leaves seem to be preferred for chewing. From what I’ve read, the branches also contain of the cathinone, less than leaves though.
It’s the new shoots after years of pruning that are meant for consumption I think.

In what kind of climate were you able to grow it ?

Thank you for participating ! :slight_smile:

@MrHamilton , yes it’s a stimulating plant, the effects are warmness, the need to be social and talk, it might put you more alert, euphoric, cut your appetite a bit. I don’t think it’s over stimulating.
After much use and big chews for days that make those infamous khat cheeks, a sedative effect cant be felt.
People use it along with kola, to do manual work, or to chill with your friends at home. In some parts of the island Khat chewing is becoming a concern.

I do enjoy chewing a bit sometimes but I can’t use so much I am not a zebu :laughing:

I like it as an infusion or mixed with tea. Soaked in alcohol is very good and it’s my favorite way to have recreational effects.

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Yeah
New shoots are preferred…older ones can be slightly bitter…
It’s sub tropics where I’m at…they grow very well.
The thin leafed variety is actually indigenous to our area.
The broader one I’m told is from Ethiopia.

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Any seeds bud?
:begger:

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I actually do
But the catch is my our local post offices are basically done…non functional…for real…
Corruption,greed and incompetence have altogether broken a institute that operated like clock work for hundreds of years…
I’ve altogether given up trying to send and receive seeds…
International express is the only way and it’s simply just to expensive…
Sad story unfortunately.

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This plant is so mysterious and interesting to me. I had no idea they could grow so big . I think here it’s grown like bushes.

How tall are you trees ? Do you think as well they need to be 5 years old at least to be good ?

Sorry to hear how things went at your place, some are similar here…
Much force :muscle:

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They can certainly grow into trees if left unpruned.
Most people who grow for consumption will keep plants under a couple meters to facilitate easy picking.
Also regular pruning gives the nice fresh leaves most are after.
Older trees seem to definitely push out new stronger,growth faster than younger trees.
My big one is well overdue for a prune but I left it this year cause it had seeds.

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I understand, it makes sense. It’s very interesting. Cool looking plant !
The fresh leaves are the ones supposed to be meant for consumption …

At what point are they producing seeds ?
Thank you for the details :+1:

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Fresh leaves are best

Plants start seeding after about 4 years where I stay and dont seed every year
Usually every 2-3 years.

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I would love to find some seeds my self. This plant has always called to me .

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We used to see khat tree plantations in certain regions of Uganda over 20 years ago whilst doing countrywide survey. I think a lot of it went to Kenya and Tanzania for the Arab population.
I only ever saw it being chewed and very surprised to see it in a drink. With the kola nuts added it must be like speedy rocket fuel. Ive tried both the kola nuts in West Africa and the khat in the East but wasnt my cup of tea.
I suppose its one of those drugs that needs to build in your system to get full effect?

Haha I see you are not a “zebu”. I love their horns but the meat is less.

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How interesting @jesuswearsflares . It’s about the same origins here too, I do think it’s the Arab immigrants and travelers from middle east that brought the plant and its use into the Island a long time ago.

About drinking it, I’ve read somewhere that in middle east it is sometimes consumed as a smoothie, by blending the Khat leaves with some fruits I guess but I’ve never tried that way.

Kola nuts are very bitter, it contains loads of caffeine . It doesn’t taste great.
But yeah, you are right mixed into Rhum with ginger too it’s quite of a speedy/tasty mix. I don’t like too much caffeine personally. And I like zebu meat :grimacing:

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Here are the Kola nuts :

I tried a bit , it tastes like something coming from the ground, doesn’t taste amazing.
Quite bitter too, insides are red:

I can see its use as a stimulant … debating if I should put some into Rhum or no

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Smooothie time :grin:


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