We all can be guilty of it. I am no exception. Overgrow is amazing and I try to be my best because most of you are awesome even if I don’t know how yet. If you have the capacity to recognize you stepped in it and are grown enough to apologize you’re probably alright in my book. 
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Well, well, well interesting to see how Sammy says you need to some serious maths to find keepers…believe that screen shot says growing thousands of plants to find a few keepers? I feel like it’s that way for ALL lines, i’ve yet to find any line where a 10 pack consistently delivers keepers, like EXCEPTIONAL, not good or great.
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Can we say a 75% mid type produce keepers? Just because this one smokes like a B like a number of her sisters can they be crossed among themselves to produce some A types? 
. Crossing over to some new ideas and trying to independently sort out what we are looking at without transgressively moving off topic about haze x haze or (Indica var Indica) x (Indica var Indica) narrow leaf drug types.
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Are you referring to haze or seeds in general? I agree sativas in general take more individuals to find special plants compared to hybrids. I wonder why that is? Im guessing due to less selecting
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hello hello,
wow hot discussion…
the haze the haze… so much to tell…
so many opinions and so many solutions …
it’s too much in begin… there are so many things to cover…
but keep all in mind … all those are personal experience …
for example… if someone say that strain is killer…
some may have totally different experience and say it’s trash … or I’ll don’t get why it’s killer etc…
with the haze… you can’t grow it like a typical hybrid or a bred strain that has 90 day’s flowering time… haze needs way longer and if you fail after the 90 day’s to keep her happy you will never get the result you’re looking for… it#s really not easy and to me the hardest strain to grow and manage … it responds to all technics very well like topping in later state for all other tortoure …
only big mistake you can do is over feeding … especially N … once done … most time it’s fucked up… haze loves under feeding and the color lime green … if it’s get to dark green (if not a pheno’) than you can see that yield etc are not like the lime green’s … and it will stretch also in late flower… haze stretches min first 6-8 weeks under 11/13 and one plant can easy fill a big tent if you let her go … it’s the most vigorous plant I’ll know… all crosses have the same behavior … doesn’t matter if it’s a small 1 meter semi auto landrace … or full auto’s that go max 1.5m outdoors … become more than 4m after touching the haze …
improve the haze… yes possible… but you need a field with like 10000 plants or more… than select the 10 best from those and make seeds… or better reverse the best girls after smoking … like 10 best haze girls x 10 best haze girls reversed … works … I’ll showed that already …
but what is your goal and my goal
me with limited possibilities (no greenhouse yet) can only select from max 24 plants @ one run… so I’ll did a few run’s to find those I’ll have now … same over the years with all other I’ve grown and smoked… if smoke was good I’ll keep the cut and flower it a second time to verify also with friends… making music … so it’s easier hehe … also @ work many enjoy the herb … that feedback is what makes my selection over the years… and what I’ll use for breeding… after talking with Sam early when I’ll startet I’ll got a good starting point and it worked out very well so far… I’ll can’t do big numbers but I’ll can do it like Sam has described in " Sun, Soil, Seeds & Soul" … and that was/is my way to do it … and after finishing the first crosses and flowering them I’ll can confirm that this method works… also with the haze … like when I’ll mixed Seedsman x Golli or Sam’s last x Golli and also a great landrace like Zamal, Thai Stick, Malawi or Caledonia with the haze… but I’ll use a haze male to make hybrids and maybe that makes a little difference to others and also Sam’s hybrids in the 90’… he used only haze girls… and finally the crossing again to the haze gives me what I’m looking for …
i’ll do it for me in first place… I’ll want the best smoke I’ll can get… that’s the main reason why I’ll startet this … and if others like the work… perfect… than I’m not alone and that makes also really happy… sure but first is the effect/high it gives… not how she looks or smells or how long she takes etc… the effect is what I’m looking for … my goal is not to bred a super sativa that looks amazing but has no real effect or short duration… it’s good for pictures and promotion … but waste of time… the best OHz from Golli gave me the best effect… over 4 hours with no come down… it was like on MDMA and LSD same time but not so wired stand… I’ll still could do something and was full functional … only heavy dry mouth and speak was different… it never got bored or I’ll got used to it… it’s in all the hazes but you have to find those… and if they are fucked up like inbreed … best way is to outcross and backcross to the haze in my opinion after trying different methods … but also here we have lot’s of possibilities … like use a haze girl or male … a reversed girl/girl’s … and that is what I’m doing now … figure out the best way to get the full haze flavor back…
the best OHz
@TomHill … back to haze
here the last special crosses going into flower mode… all from seed … no topping…
Manga Rosa x OHz … looks like a perfect haze hybrid…
Zamal/Ohz x OHz
A5/OHz x OHz
Caledonia/OHz x OHz
Zamal/OHz x OHz
and here this outdoor bangers … all those mothers where true good auto’s from Dutch Passion that where chosen after smoke test…
- Auto SFV OG
- Auto Skywalker Haze** - Sativa
- Auto Lemon Kix* - Sativa
- Auto Mimosa Punch
- Auto Orange Bud - Sativa
- Auto Cinderella Jack - Sativa
- Auto Mac#1*
- IRAQ BABYLON (Landrace)
more next…
thx
M.
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sooo … yes 50% of them are great and will finish in time… like last year … we get the 4m mark … and yield, grow pattern and resistance are amazing for our climate… smoke test will tell … will make fem’s for growin’ pleasure outdoors of the best…
many thx and get hazed’
it’s time now!
M.
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Hello brother! A resounding YES to everything you say, I would only like to mention the maturity (state of the trichomes). Incorporating this detail would allow us to imitate the conditions in which the plants were evaluated.
A big hug brother.
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That new claedonia looks interesting. Thnx for all the wonderful pictures! Gotta ask what do you smoke when you wanna relax or get some sleep? Just curious bc i know you aint smoking all your beautiful sativas late night haha.
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hello,
with haze and pure sativa I’ll try to catch the third harvest window from four…
when they smell strong again and like 90% are milky … than it’s best to me… before it’s more racy … later is more sedative but damn strong… to electric for my liking …
uhhh tried different methods… vaping CBD mixed with haze gives best kick and nice dreams… no exhaust the next day… did it all … pure afghan … hash … strongest indica… but to be honest… I’ll can sleep real quick… it’s more about dreams and often (I’m programmer too) fixing bug’s and find solutions for problems… found the best way’s to solve issues while dreaming about… but works best to me with good haze … love to wake up and be full functional in a minute or less… to me cannabis is brain food … find the right one for your personality and keep those a lifetime… done
I’ll wasted so much time while searching in the wrong direction… stronger is not always better … it’s the effect it gives and what it does in your brain… can be positive or negative and has effect on our life…
many thx @ all
have a good one… it’s weekend 
M.
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Cool man good idea on the multiple harvest windows. That will def get you sime diffrent effects
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Those are looking nice, is it too strong smoke for some ?
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hello,
some new outdoor haze shot’s …
hope we get some sun next 10-14 day’s for finishing
happy growin’
M.
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Those are massive plants !
Lovely😊
Weatherforecast is good for the next week 
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What the frick kinda hippie crap idea is that? You’ll go to your grave waiting for some squishy jelly crap like that lol.
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Do you have anything constructive to share with us or are you just here to flex your ego? I don’t understand why you come here. Are you getting something from talking down to people?
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I have never known you guys to want to genuinely learn anything. Just chase guys around not even understanding basic physics relating to head size etc. If there is something any of you would like to learn by all means lets dive in.
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Can you provide a link please? Or list where I should start? I enjoy learning. I have time and I don’t mind digging. I worked for PhD’s in the past I have resources I can lean on.