I heard the same re: sudanese / CBD phenos but I think the CBD phenos may be the case for many landrace varieties - depending ofcourse on what degree of domestication they have undergone
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Little report on the Ciskey:
It’s quite consistent with the breeder description. On 3 beans had one male one female, they were looking and smelled almost exactly the same. The other was a dwarf, same than the other but just smaller and slower. Just kept the female, didn’t have the infra to pollinate in the small greenhouse. 2 beans left in the stash.
Growth was vigorous, can grow in gigantic plants. Very greasy stem after a few weeks of veg. Smells too but it changes a lot while it matures. React very well to LST/topping. Can grow in an octopus way.
Flowers into mid-size but decently dense colas. Good yield all in all if you let it veg enough. Smells very loud at the end. Quite as described by the breeder: very ripen tropical fruit. Somewhere between mango and orange. So ripen that when the jar is opened it’s almost like rotten. Translate into the smoke, with a bit more earth in there. Finishes end of October at 47°N.
Effect is energetic but relaxing. Not on the electric side. Feel warm waves in the body and muscle relaxing, while the head is very clear. Have to overly abuse it to start to feel some fuzziness. Works well to have focused activities or chill out but won’t knock you off and put you to sleep (on the contrary, you’ll chill longer). No confusion, paranoia or anxiety. A positive vibe rather. Not overly potent but decent (harvested a bit early though). All in all a very sativa effect. Tolerance builds up a bit fast.
It hermed at the end on the top colas, a few nanners here and there. Didn’t catch them as the colas were too high for me 
Won’t do that mistake again. No real seeds yet though, they did not have time to mature, but it was pollinated. While doing a tincture I found a lot of small spheres floating, which I think are very immature seeds. Good thing I cut it early. Don’t know if herms have been worked out in the more recent version (mine was around 2014).
A few (note so great) pics:
Have a good week end!
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I’ve grown Sudan twice. Mostly CBD dominant plants( 60% maybe) imo, but I found a few good ones.
That’s a good guess. Coud be. I tend to think it’s Sinai domesticated further South. ( its from Southern Sudan)It seems really similar structure wise, but with a longer flowering time. This Middle Eastern/ North African"Indica belt" may very well reach into Northern Uganda. Certainly some influence would be no surprise.
Cbd seems tied to higher latitudes. The tropics favor thc. Anytime cbd is found in the tropics, imo that means Indica( or Northern Sativa)genes were probably or even certainly added. ( not necessarily recently)A Cbd pheno wouldn’t arise out of the tropics. It would have to be Introduced
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Great strain/ smoke report. I love the look of the buds. I briefly grew Power plant at the turn of the century, and I had a plant that had those red hair buds. Maybe ciskei was used to make it.
Disappointed to hear of quick tolerance build up. Just need to have a varied stash I guess.
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Nobody is seeking in 2024 ?! 
(UELF5s1 x F6) F2 - on the bottom is a MadaUEL F2 i identified as a Madagascar Pheno?!
I will hit her with some Bushmann pollen…
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Oh the search is on all right @CalleMinogue ! Nice bushy plot. Apologies for the lack of photos of last years finishers or even dried flowers. On the way are some very nice smelling and looking Mountain Gold x Purple Satellite/UEL, a good mix of the parents. Planning a MG reproduction all going well too - made a cuttings plot for seed. AutoC99 x PuntoRojo f4 from @Arnold doing well with lovely strong stem smell great vigour and medium septoria resistance. Last years narrow leaf Mextiza x UEL cross, looking like a miniature version of that Mextiza, smelling nicer than the Mextiza parent. This years Mextizas, Honduras and most of the Ghost OG were culled. A bit more room for the rest now.
Two late males only showing now - PS/UEL x UEL, and Apollos Durban/UEL x Ghost OG. That ADL x OG has a phenomenal stem smell, never came across anything like it, bit like eucalyptus. The Ghost in that cross was a tall one, with barely any Kush flavours. The same looking Ghost is the last remaining so hopefully a backcross in the making.
Lovely looking UEL and MadUEL, There are some lovely summer daytime highs in the Madagascan. It had no septoria resistance for me though. The straight up Madagascan x UEL F1 was an insane grower, biggest bushiest plant I ever grew, with huge internode spacings. Did finish at the end Oct, but only just.
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Nice to hear about your season @bonghopper. Hope the house is starting to feel like a home for you and your family.
What ended up being your favorite smokes of the previous season? Those Mountain Golds?
I am always on the hunt @CalleMinogue! But remember that I said that I had confidence in the early sativa selection so that it was time for phase 2? Find the highs worth making earlier and that’s where we are at. Have two clones so far I want to work with: the Punto Rojo selected by a friend in the autocross that bonghopper mentioned and a Vietnamese that was the only one I kept from the previous hunt.
This season I am looking into Upstates Oaxacan, Ace Ethiopian and Original Haze selection by Elanius.
Also have 18 BOA Durbans out to see if clone selection in that line is worth it.
For the rest this season is a off season. First year in 15 that I am not doing any guerilla gardening. Too much rain for my main riverbed plot + a hand that needed surgery.
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Good to hear from you @Arnold, you have my sympathies with your hand injury and no Guerilla this year, at least you still have a few nice things on the go, got some outdoors in the garden too?
We’re pretty settled now thanks, had an awesome garden party for my daughters 7th birthday early July, on to the next building projects this autumn…
Favourite smokes by how quickly jars emptied were: MG 2 & 3 out of 5 total - made seeds on no 2 by chance, woohoo! MG x PS/UEL you got a few, have 7 of these out, all turned out female, some with purple stems from the PS side.
Purple Satellite x UEL(SxL) 1 out of 5 was stellar, have 3-4 males of these this year, and stored pollen (and dried male stems from last year)
UEL x OHz - 6 months in this became a favourite - very low vigour and septoria susceptible as a grower though, the Hz side may not like our clay here and low temps, this years plants not looking great.
Verde Limon - great potential, has similar terps as Apollos Durban, massive yield in comparison. Good motivational, suddenly I’m at the top of the tree with a hand saw chopping off branches clear high, a little too sedate on the comedown for how clean it is though.
Noteable about the PS and MG is the vigour, from early on - they have cold tolerance to growing in cold temps and to putting on resin, terpenes and potency the other end of the year - They were some of the most potent of last year - in a very pleasant, not an overpowering way like Mextiza and her crosses can have… A friend noted also, quickly becoming favourites.
Your Ghost/Mav x 3Bears is looking and smelling super, very refined, looking forward to it. One auto’d nearly finished, the other two later.
Also, a nice surprise:
HP2e x aHz a couple of weeks from finishing
That is: Hash Plant 2 - HFH, very early, auto Male x self seeded auto Haze, that flowered from Solstice to early Oct. Ridiculously loud Haze/Cleaner smell. Poor septoria resistance though… Spare seeds that need a home if anyone’s looking for something like that. Its a good grower, had that early vigour like the MG.
Lovely looking line up there, spotted your pics of the Oaxacan and Ethiopan indoors, healthy as. Freezer pollen coming out?
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Nice to hear that you guys are also on the hunt 
@Arnold sorry for the circumstances at your end! Much love and a fast cure. Sure I remember your goals and I am always craving for your reports… honest European OD shit 
This year is kind of dedicated to Skunk (which is kind of funny since I saw that you offered a Love Skunk via SH) but of course I popped 20 UEL seeds and made a small selection and I am not dissatisfied I would say.
(UEL F5s1 x UEL F6) F2 and the MadaUEL F2 (little scared of her growth now xD)
She is already really resinous and the steamrub smells like dried UEL Bud…
This is the UEL F7 different smell but gave me already sticky steamrub. Main goal is the Repro of the UEL x Nepali I run last year. This cross was by far the best hybrid I’d harvested so far.
I have also some UELx Boa D F2 popped and hold 3 girls as a side project.
In my Profile pic you can see the F1‘s in 2022 I guess.
Happy Sunday
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Glad I found this thread, I’m at 42N and have been working towards similar goals, though still far from reaching them.
I’m growing Verde Limón this year, the vigor on every one incredible but I was a little disappointed at how much hunting it took to get a lemon/lime pheno. I planted out 10 of the Verde Limón seeds and only found one female that expressed the lemon and one male that expressed lime and one male that expressed lemon from stem rub. Everything else was was some mix of green herbal / rubbery / skunky / incense. Also saw your comment about the sedating comedown…do you remember ripeness and trichome colors when you cut your plant and do you think if cut earlier they would have less of the sedation on the back end?
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They were clear milky, I aim to avoid any ambers with sativas, was begin Nov here. Yes big selection needed to find decent plants for the north in these, 2 out of 14 were good for me. They were carroty/herbal with a noble fir/christmas tree stem rub. One purpled at the edges. Storing very well. I think that sedation is in the genetics - its in their description on Hyp3rids. Those flowers are quite dense… Nice active high though and not too sedate, but still present.
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Cuttings plot: - taken from guerilla mother plot on 15th June. Mountain Gold in the background, MGxPS/UEL in the foreground, have been sampling the early ones of these, a bit stoney, the later ones show promise. Well over 2m.
Mountain Gold - really looking forward to filling the jars with these again. Favourite outdoor strain so far. 9 females here, lightly pollinated by 3 males. The mother plot is a bit ahead in flowering.
UEL f7&f8 - sown beginning of June, explaining their lateness. A few March sown finished end Sept/early Oct. Its the later ones that have stood out for high type and septoria resistance for me. The earlier ones came down a few days ago, about half the plot.
This is the direction it’s taking selecting for septoria resistance, first year I see so much purple.
Various qualities of lemon are becoming the dominant themes now.
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