Hey so I had to pull the little Berry Ryder, it wasn’t ready but I need the space and it was so small. It weighed in at 5 grams WET And yep it will be about a bowl and that’s it.
Her sister is doing well so that’s good…
The Megacrop came in and I will try it out shortly. There are a couple that started acting a little strange. One is a Shunk Haze and it’s very green and has been healthy. Now it just looks depressed, the stems and leaves just sort-of hang down lifeless. Normal nutes, nothing too strong and cal-mag every other water or two.
One the best plants that showed yellow spots last week has started to go full yellow and die. It’s just at the bottom of the “Ice Cool”, I think it’s Diesel and Tangie maybe.
I put a few pics below, the group pic, the plant in the front middle is the Shunk Haze and you can see the hanging leaves a little better.
I picked up some new soil called Baccto, the lady at the garden store it was fine. The FF soil was all out of date, so I guess I’ll find it somewhere else.
And not that we have to go into it now but I did want to ask either you or @Meesh about the soil/nute for when I get setup proper. I mean are you talking about making your own soil by adding admendments to it like bat g and fish kelp?
Anyways here are some photoess😏
Howdy Nova! Things sure are looking better than when we first met! I’m happy for you! The first photo shows the Plant that " hangs down" right? Looks like it needs water, and I’m guessing you thought the same thing and have been watering with regularity? Have you flushed it with plain water to get rid of extra salts that may have built up? Sounds like you haven’t given it anything too strong… perhaps it’s pot bound. Those autos have a big root system. I’ve been sexing male plants this way for three yrs now in beer cups. They always droop before the ladies due to container restraints ( my theory). Second picture shows calcium deficiency. That’s the yellow dots you see that get more and more pronounced until the leaf starts to die. Yr plant isn’t dying, it’s cannibalizing itself. Think of each leaf on the plant as a food pellet. When it runs out of food in the soil, it takes it from a leaf instead. What leaves it chooses to use is yr clue to finding out what it is. If a lower Leaf is used, it means that it has the ability to transport that nutrient to newer growth. This is called a Mobile nutrient , and not all nutes are mobile. Nitrogen, magnesium, potassium and phosphorus are a few. Other deficiencies show first at the top of the plant (like sulfur and zinc). …i would Google that info and memorize it or write it down. So we have a plant that is showing a deficient Leaf at the very bottom. I would up your calmag for two / three weeks, or until 10 days before harvest. I will get to your last question later, but yes you are mixing nutrients in to quality soil such as blood and bone meal and guanos.
Hey, yeah I just feed them with Megacrop a few hrs ago and it looks even worse than before. It started out of nowhere just a few days ago, the leaves look fine and it’s in fabric Pots. What makes me question the Root bound is there are much older and bigger plants in the same pots that are fine. But it could be, I thought those pots prevented that though.?.
It doesn’t respond to nutes or water so I guess the only thing left is to transplant it. Hate to do it in flower, it’s an Auto too. But I don’t know what else to do really.
The one with yellow leaves…It started about a week ago but got bad very quickly. I will up the cal-mag on the whole lot. It’s in that damn seedling soil which has been a pain in the arse!
What about N issue instead of or along with cal-mag? Do you think it could be N?
It’s only on the bottom…
Ok I went back over the slagging leave plant with a cheapo 60x lens. Didn’t see any bugs under the leaves, couldn’t check every one but got most. So if it’s not a light, water, nute or bug issue then your prob on to something. Everything I can come up with says possible Root-Rot. Or something going on with the roots. So I’ll transplant it this eve.
I’ve got a bag of new soil, it has time released nutes in it. I’m not sure but I don’t think FF has time released nutes in it.?. Might just use it for my herbs, picked up some chocolate mint and lemon balm seedlings. The Chocolate Mint smells freakin awesome! Hoping to use some herbs planted around the canna as a companion plant for bugs n’stuff.
Here’s the soil, not sure if it’s right for canna.?
FYI, Amazon wants $14.50 for 8 Qts, I paid $4.29 locally. Same goes for Fox Farms, they want $15 more than what a local garden store charges. That’s just greedy AF!
Finally, out of all the plants since Jan 7th I’ve only found three nats. They were stuck to the yellow traps. I don’t think that’s a problem do you.?..
And why in the hell don’t these nute co put a gram scoop with the products…It’s such a pain to try and weigh such a small weight with a ten buck scale. Makes me want to use liquid nutes so bad, it would make things much easier and more accurate when weighing nutes.
PS: I still have some Bio Minerals left. Would you use them for the plants in flower or the ones still in Veg? Sry for all the questions! I hate to waste this stuff, esp if it will benefit the plants ya know…Thx Again!
Sry for multiple posts…I looked back at my notes on the Ice plant. It was first spotted Feb 26th. And noted on March 4th as “yellow spots not getting worse”. So basically it took a nose dive in the past few days.
Do ya use Epsom Salt or should I just use the cal-mag I’ve got?
And another post…I went ahead and transplanted it, same size pot but with Happy Frogs this time. The roots were huge and looked ok nothing off that I saw. They were actually dug into the bottom of the pot. Had to peel the old roots off the bag.
I broke up a lot of the old soil but left a good size Root ball intact. Hope it comes back soon, it’s in mid flower. Thx @Upstate
The bags won’t allow your plants to be root bound, they are self pruning. Your problem is the filtered water that you purchase and use. They filter out all of the minerals of that water. You need to add cal/mag to every watering if you are gonna use it.
As far as soil for next grow. You don’t want anything that they added fertilizer to. Just simple organic soil. Nothing that says it feeds for a month or time released or any other such nonsense. I use an organic brand of soil called Vermifire that my grow store sells. I believe it is their specific brand. I like it way better than that frog or ocean stuff. It never is too hot and doesn’t burn my plants. I have also had good success with Black Gold by Sungro which I’ve purchased online. Another tip, don’t buy any soil that says it’s for use in the ground aka outdoor soil/topsoil etc… Potting soil or Potting mix only! Go with the cal/mag every watering and you shouldn’t see any new weird leaf problems like above. Keep in mind that once a leaf is damaged or discolored it will not repair itself, you have to refer to new growth or different leaves to check if it’s on the mend. Sorry for my late response. Been a busy bee with work.
Yeah yr right there. Forgot you switched. So scratch that idea.If it happened right after you did something, that’s probably the culprit. I dont know this fertilizer megacrop.
No. Don’t think so. But if it was its late for adding much nitrogen… half dose if it was. Looks like calcium def. Could be excess salts in the droopy plant container. From that fertilizer? You’ve been flushing them or no? I would if you haven’t. Don’t dump it all in at once. Little at a time. 3x’s container size.
I was afraid of that! I didn’t read the bag well enough in the store, she was pushing it on me as cheaper, etc…And the FF was out of date, which means it’s at least two yrs old. Unless that was the born on date.
They do carry Black Gold, it’s the same brand as the seedling soil I bought. I was doing cal-mag every 2-3 feedings but now I’ve switched to Megacrop. According to them you don’t need to buy extra cal-mag but they do sell it, a little confusing.
Upstate, no I haven’t flushed yet…Hoping the new nutes will help out and I hope the transplant will turn around fast. It didn’t freak out when I checked several hrs later so that’s good. The lights are back on so let me go check on it real quick.
I’m going to have to figure out a new soil or see if they will order some for me. Thanks!!!
Normally the cloth bags you have them in extract any excess salts outward through the bag, but water to runoff a few times anyway for shits and giggles.
Megacrop is by no means a perfect nutrient, no matter what they claim. Keep with the Cal/Mag every watering. I have used it many times with supplements while I was still green about nutes and growing. Once you start understanding nutrients, what they mean, how they affect plants etc etc… you will drop the Megacrop for more superior and tailored grows. For now, I think it is just fine for your needs.
@Upstate Megacrop is one ingredient short of organic. It is a sponsor here who sells it. It is a 1 in all veg and flower nutrient. No changing formulas etc… Easy peasy for a beginner
Hey just checked on them and it’s deff perked up by several inches. I had to lay a little piece of plastic on the soil cus the leaves were hanging down in the soil. Now they are several inches north so very little transplant shock.
Being that it is in a nute soil now, should I continue with the regular amounts of nutes for that plant? I’m thinking yes, but didn’t want to burn em up.
I will get some cal-mag, unless you think using the cal-mag I’ve got now will work. It’s not organic so I don’t know if there is something in it that would disturb the microrobes in the soil.?.
I use cal/mag on my organic outdoor grows and I have epic soil life, worms etc, but that’s in the ground… I honestly don’t know what the organic forms of cal/mag are called on labels. Sounds like an @Upstate question. I don’t use it on my container grows as I use tap water. I get plenty from that.
I would wait at least a week before fertilizing to see if they need it. They should get it from the new soil, but they may be lazy from the Megacrop. Flush for a week (using calmag) then assess. Just my opinion. The plants will tell you.
Fox Farm makes the organic cal mag. What Meesh means by them getting lazy is plants get used to the way they are being fed and it may take them some adjusting to get used to the new supply. It’s like a person switching from a fork to chop sticks. The foods still there… Just no good putting it in yr mouth so to speak.
Me either lol. I will have to check. When I used the EDTA cal mag(12 yrs ago ish?) the plants were in a one gallon container I think. It was long ago so details are foggy, but my info came from skunk magazine at the time saying to use cal mag (in one issue,) which I bought and started using. Then a month or two later ( too late… plants died) they print a correction and say not to use the kind I bought that has EDTA in it. It’s possible something else stressed my plants at the time, but til now ( 29 yrs) those are still my only fatalities of grown plants. In a large container or in the ground the small amount of salt must not bother the microlife. Also good to mention that I certainly would have followed the directions at the time. It may have said add a teaspoon/ gallon. Maybe a high dose messed them up? I don’t know. But no issues with the foxfarm brand…ever.
I often rip off affected leaves after having taken corrective actions. It makes it easier to judge spread of symptoms. It works, provided only a few leaves are affected.
Hey @Upstate in a panic last night I used the cal-mag I already had. I did order more but after reading about what I ordered not sure if I messed up. I couldn’t wait on Megacrop nor did I want to pay 13 bucks for shipping.
So I went with this
Got it from Amazon, it was about $12-13 but the Iron in it says EDTA concerning the iron.
Plus the Megacrop has 13% of N in it…
If it’s a big deal I can return it, but I don’t think the local store has it in stock. But they might have another brand though.
I’m sure it won’t kill them to use it. When food is in its natural form, a plant may or may not decide to eat some. When it is chelated, your basically saying " you’re going to eat this whether you want to or not". ( just a bit of info on what chelation does). The EDTA cal mag didn’t kill my plants directly… the added stress caused them to get some sort of wilt and they died. That megacrop has a lot of nitrogen. Too much for flowering plants. Use the fish. Between fish and cal mag you’ll have enough nitrogen.
I’m so ready for this run to be over with! The combo of the wilted plant and dragon claws/yellowing, then died leaves on another point to a nute overdose. Says the books and web that is…
The plant that we thought had a cal-mag issue is the one I’m referring to with the dragon claw.
The leaves are dark green but they have been that color since the beginning. Not sure what I’m going to do yet, might repot just don’t know or care right now.
The combination of a poor environment, lighting and running several differ strains at the same time is on me. I’m not familiar with these strains and most are a single plant. Nothing to compare it too…
Just pissed cus those were my two sativas, the rest are indica (yawn) or balanced. Indica is great for sleep, use it every day but I’m useless if I use it during the daytime.
O’well, thx anyways.
And yep it will be about a bowl and that’s it.
I don’t use it on my container grows as I use tap water. I get plenty from that.