What else can hash be synthesized from?
What I read, they said the substances found in the mummies could only have come from South American coca plants. I’m not an expert on cocaine though.
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Yes this was from pollen analysis. But it isn’t definitive. Cannabis cultivation, if it did occur in the Western Hemisphere before Europeans, was probably only in isolated locations. Unless testing were to be done around these particular areas, there would be no evidence of pollen.
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This thread is relevant to my interests. I have Acapulco Gold that I could run. Was planning to run after I was dialed in before running it, but can contribute somewhere down the line. For now, I’ll sit back and watch. I have a lot of interest in these strains.
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I knew when I posted those remarks I’d be walking into an ambush . Perhaps you have different experiences than I do quote=“Mestizo, post:77, topic:40663”]
Highly educated people don’t suddenly develop gigantic egos because they’ve received an education and rarely consider themselves more knowledgeable than people with experience on the ground. Their education actually make them less certain in a ‘the more you know, the less you know’ kind of way.
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Lol. You’re not from New York are you? I can tell you for a fact they have gigantic egos here. Just the other day, I was told how to do carpentry by a lady that’s never done it, and I have 30 years of experience. So I did what she told me to do, and naturally we had to tear it out and then do it the way I was going to do it the first time. Happens all the time. You know who never argues with me? The “uneducated”. Educated people are sometimes very quick to judge people by their lack of mainstream education. The expression "you find what you’re looking for "comes at play here. If you’re not looking, you won’t find it. And since they already have all the answers, they are not looking. If there is no ego at play, why not publish the new info. Much of this information seems worthy of publication, even if it’s in an offhand way. Simply stating that some new evidence would suggest “such and such” would be sufficient.
But the New Evidence is never written about, it’s just brushed aside, because it wasn’t discovered by one of them imo. No reputations need be put at stake just to write a couple paragraphs about new information. Yet the new editions of the same books continue to have the same words. Are they even teaching that Vikings were definitely in America yet? I don’t think so, but there is concrete evidence. Yet, We still celebrate Columbus Day here. I didn’t realize how controversial this subject would be, so I’m going to start a new thread to keep this one dedicated to landraces, and we can continue it there.
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Anyone interested, I just started a thread dedicated to the discussion of how landraces reached the Western Hemisphere. Sorry, I don’t know how to send you a link
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Obviously history is framed in such ways that tend to give Europeans almost all the credit for the Americas.
What I find funny is that those same scholars will talk about human migration from the Bering land bridge as the source of the original natives in the Americas but those same scholars can’t fathom that those same people brought their native seeds with them?
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This is very true. The depth of knowledge is way deeper than many people appreciate. The reality is that you might be the smartest person alive, but step outside the very narrow, specific field of research that you spend your time concentrating on, and there are hundreds or maybe thousands of people that will run circles around you. Anyone who really appreciates the breadth and depth of human knowledge and isn’t humbled by it is not intelligent.
The portrayal of the “genius” in television is also absurd. Popular shows like crime scene investigations, House, Law & Order Criminal Intent, etc., paint a picture that there are these geniuses out there who possess near-encyclopedic knowledge of virtually any field is absolutely preposterous. Stephen Hawking didn’t suddenly make valuable contributions to other fields of research simply because he was ridiculously smart. He contributed to astronomy only, and even inside of that field, an immensely narrow subset of the things that are being studied.
And it’s not just your 30 years of experience, but all of the knowledge you have amassed in that time. No matter how smart a person is, it takes a lot of time to learn to be good at things. Exceptional people might learn them a little faster, but not really a lot faster. Doesn’t matter if it’s academic, industrial or trade. There’s only so much a person can do in a lifetime. With nearly 8 billion people on this spinning rock, no one person can keep up with the rate at which we’re figuring things out.
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I agree. I think that some people, once they have reached a point, feel they know all there is to know about a subject, and they close their mind to new possibilities, because it doesn’t blend with what they have learned. If I’m not learning about weed, I’m reading about history. My two Passions. I find new information that doesn’t mesh with what is known to be completely fascinating. I immediately want to know everything about this new fact because it doesn’t fit in with what I’ve already learned. I wish others were like me in that regard, willing to be open to possibilities that they didn’t think existed when new information comes out that says there is more to the story.
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Xenophobia is an ass kicker
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I have read that Columbian Black may be a direct descendant of African Black, and that the African Black seeds were possibly brought over by slaves.
It is an interesting topic to explore how pot seeds possibly migrated with peoples, and along trade routes like the Silk Road.
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African Rice Reveals Slaves’ Agricultural Heritage - SAPIENS
Article tracking genetics of rice brought to South America by African slaves. The rice was used in rituals for ancestors. The women supposedly hid grains of rice in their hair. Rice and cannabis seed are easily hidden in braids or dreadlocks.
Sorry for posting here but I can’t find your new post on the subject
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No worries. It’s the " How did cannabis reach The Americas" thread.
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the indigenous peoples of the US originally received cannabis through trade with the native people from farther south in what is now mexico. It was not native to north america, and it does not seem to have documented use in their traditional herbal medicine.
Now to speculate, this seems to imply that there wasn’t a long history of cannabis use in the land north of mexico, and it was introduced with colonization.
If there was a longer tradition of cannabis use there, maybe they simply traded for cannabis buds much like people traded for dried tobacco.
I’d be very intrigued if there was evidence that the inca, maya, or aztec civilizations cultivated cannabis. based on the amount of knowledge we have about their breeding of corn, potatoes, and squash, this seems unlikely.
we know they consumed other hallucinogenic entheogens like shrooms and salvia divinorum, which were gathered rather than cultivated. is it possible they may have consumed wild jungli cannabis/hemp before the introduction of other non-native species by the europeans?
I like @J-Icky 's land bridge migration hypothesis. if cannabis is truly a native plant to south america, that would be my best guess as to how it was originally introduced.
It has been shown that the land bridge migration was a multi-generational process. Nomadic tribes, who were previously thought to be hunter gatherers, actually practiced agriculture and brought plant species with them as they settled in new locations. They even used boats as they moved across the water gapped land bridges. This is one of the reasons there are species which are truly native to both the americas, and asia / europe.
@Upstate
Like I said, I love speculation, I just don’t want people to take plausible inferences as factual information. I think we should use appropriate language for our own ideas that we form based on our own reading or research.
For instance, “hypotheses” or “inferences” or “educated guesses” instead of facts, and “hypothesis” instead of theory. And in referring to these ideas, instead of “it is” or “it was” I would say “it might” or “it may have been”.
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That’s also an interesting subject, but as you said better to keep it in the other thread and continue with Central America landrace and heirloom here … 
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got a lot from Oaxaca beautiful green spears
that would stone you into the pavement
all the best
Dequilo
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Slaves DID, in fact, introduce many plants to “the new world”, Yams and Okra being ONLY two. SS/BW…mister 
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That is true.
I think people may have misunderstood my post earlier. I was just saying there is not specific factual historical documentation that cannabis was one of the plant species introduced by these populations.
I was trying to make a point about how we discuss history, I wasn’t disagreeing that slaves could have potentially brought cannabis to the new world. I’m just saying it’s best to state outright whether something is factual information from a source we can cite, or whether it is our own independent conclusion or idea.
Interestingly, sweet potatoes are native to the Andes. Potatoes were first cultivated and bred into the forms we now recognize by early south american civilizations. They were introduced to africa, asia, and europe before the european “discovery of the new world.”
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I was just browsing through another post on here with everyone trying to pinpoint the first “settlement” to bring cannabis to north america. Super interesting when I get the time I’ll read back through it thoroughly, and same with this thread when I get off work . I’m in for the ride. I’ve never grown a land race tbh lol
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My friend shared a little of the Malawi she grew with me. Extremely nice high. Absolutely gets you going.
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That Malawi looks fantastic! What was the taste?
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