Weird idea would like opinions

@Trowertripper they have been on the shelves in Switzerland for around 30 years.

Before the neighbouring countries pressured them they also sold basically everything canna related without any stigma involved. For example you could pick up a tray of cuttings next to the tomatoes and flowers with a full descriptive card with all the info you need… lineage, flower time etc

Pretty sad it got outlawed after all that progress

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I was able to stop smoking tobacco without cravings or any bad effect during covid. Just smoked a small joint every time I felt like having a cigarette. When I got back to working full time, the urges came back… can’t look high or smell like weed in front of the boss… If there was no stigma, I would be smoking cbd instead of tobacco or even a low 1:1 or something. It really sucks…

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I am in Oregon. Blue Ridge Hemp is out of Asheville. I have ties to/used to live in Asheville and started a now defunct hemp flower company with some friends there. Blue Ridge basically pulled off what I wanted to. I think they are tied in with Sovereign Fields/Humboldt Seed Organization somehow too.

I’ve never heard of Nova.

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I believe there fairly new. But great people and a good product and service… In my area hemp farm are popping up everywhere. I’ve heard a certain part of Virginia has a climate similar to humbolt just lacking in the soil. And winery’s are everywhere they even ship in soil form all over the world lol. I’m hoping my area tries to do craft with all the winery’s and breweries.

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Maybe the same as the winery’s of using same genetics? Now I’ll be searching all night to find out the relation

Yea, I am not sure. But they have joint advertising sometimes.

I expect big biz to repurpose. RJ Reynolds said they are out of the European cig market by 2030. I Expect a mega company like Altria, etc to buy Truleave and monopolize the industry.

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Altria already owns large portions of Cronos. Constellation owns nearly 40% of Canopy. Coors is the majority shareholder in Hydropothecary. Diageo is the only vice-oriented corporation I can think of offhand that hasn’t already made strategic investments positioning themselves to hop into the cannabis market the moment the politicians say frog. Nobody’s going to monopolize it, but certainly it’s going to be crowded.

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It’ll be “monopolized” simply because there’s really only like five conglomerates running the entire world.

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@minitiger

I think that’s pentopolized!lol

Edit: pent-polized? Pentpolized?

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Lol, fair point. Certainly most people won’t have a cellulose cat’s chance of outrunning an asbestos dog in hell of getting into the market, though I do own stock in all of the above so I’m at least halfway on board with the idea… albeit it’s more reluctant acceptance and the cycnicism to figure that I might as well profit from it even if I hate it.

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Ummmm, I dunno haha! I googled all three spellings of that word and the only thing that came was,”Did you mean ‘monopolized’?” haha! What’s “pentpolized” mean?

Oh, cool. So basically, when we all bitch about how the boomers raped the world and made a shit-ton of money and then made it impossible for anybody else to make money or own a home or have health insurance or do anything about climate change, you decided,”Hey, I’m gonna jump on that train!” haha!

Just fucking with you, dude. But that’s basically what you’re saying. I don’t blame you. Nothing’s gonna change. I don’t have kids. I don’t really need to care about the future any further than my lifespan. I might as well do the same thing. Invest in planet-rapers! Now!

But I’m not gonna do that… Haha!

I’m not on either train, really. The boomers’ fault is the same as the fault of all humanity, the same as the younger generations: selfishness. I acknowledge human nature and that there’s very little I can do to change it on a macroscopic level, and I’m selfish enough to want some financial security, both now and in the future, even when it is most certainly at the cost of at least a few others in this world of 8 billion people and growing. If I weren’t selfish enough to care about myself, who would? The only reason I have enough money to meaningfully invest is because both of my boomer parents were already dead before I turned 30. Otherwise I’d be caught on that hamster wheel of working for the corporations I hate, just like everyone else.

To be fair to myself, I’m also invested in lots of other, more socially acceptable things than vice-exploiting corporations… well, depending on who you ask. :stuck_out_tongue: Every issue has two sides. I bought solar panels several years ago, so I’m fighting to save the climate… by paying Chinese companies to burn fossil fuels and use rare earth metals to make solar panels, anyway. I’m invested in EV stocks, I don’t invest in energy corporations unless they’re actively trying to be as much a part of the solution as the problem, I’ve got a few bitcoins under my mattress for the day the revolution comes and all those bankers end up being the first up against the wall… and I’m also loaning “worthless” dollars to the bankers at 5-7% interest, to help them in their fight to integrate Bitcoin before it integrates them. I just don’t invest most of my money based on my social conscience. The world is not going to end up being exactly the way I think it should be, and I’m planning to still have money invested when that happens rather than having lost it all to good intentions.

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Yeah, dude, I was just fucking with you. No need to explain yourself. I think I was really just talking to myself, because I’m at the point now, too, where I’m like,”Fuck it, I’m gonna put some money into whatever returns the highest and fastest. Fuck being socially aware.” Haha. Seriously, though, I am.

Never gonna happen. I’d fucking LOVE it if it did, I’m pining for the day that happens.I’ll be the first motherfucker lining those assholes up against a wall. But I’m afraid that day is never gonna come, no matter how much we want it to. “Bankers”/Wall Street etc are way too entangled with the politicians who make policy for an “up against the wall” situation to ever actually happen. Look at what happened with the COVID thing. They got billions and billions of dollars to Wall Street in about three weeks; took them almost a year to get a measly $1400 to us plebs. Same thing with the whole real estate bubble collapsing in 2008/9.

Anyway, yeah, dude, don’t worry about it. I’m (almost) right there with you.

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You won’t get a bit of blame from me for accepting reality; after all, that’s how the boomers ended up in the position they did. 50 years ago, they were the rebels trying to change the world for the better, wishing peace and free love to everybody… then they started getting older, realized that changing the world meant changing other people, and that people had been trying to change other people since people started thinking of themselves as people in the first place, and realized that either way they were gonna have to pay the bills because despite our idealism, entropy is and life only survives by consuming other life. It’s ugly, brutal, and not at all nice to talk about or think about… and still, unfortunately, true despite all we do to try and avoid it. Speaking of which, I’m going to have some more self-prescribed medicine now. :stuck_out_tongue:

Half the board of the Federal Reserve are Harvard graduates who worked at Goldman Sachs, and there’s always at least a few in Treasury as well. The SEC chair, Gensler, is one, for all that the Bitcoin folks think he’s on their side… I told my idealistic boomer aunt essentially the same thing last February as COVID hit; she was in isolation, having just come back from Europe, and scared enough to be calling her whole family - even the ones she really doesn’t like because they’re too cynical :raised_hand: Anyway, I told her my plans were to stay inside, and wait till the market inevitably crashed to buy more stock because I planned to at least make some money off the terrible choices the government was going to make. She sputtered and fumed and ended up having nothing to say, hung up on a bit of a sour note, and hasn’t talked to me since. I, meanwhile, have made six figures off the aforementioned terrible decisions that I saw coming a mile away. :slight_smile: It’s not nice, but it’s what pays the bills, sadly.

I’d like your post, except I don’t like your post haha! I’m actually fully planning on being homeless (again) when I’m like 65 years old. Or winning the lottery. That’s my “retirement plan.” “Yes, I’ll win the Powerball. And then I’ll be fine…” haha.

Like you, my parents died recently and I’ve got a little bit of money to invest. But, like you, I’m waiting for the market to crash. I’m not sure it ever will again, though, to be honest. Same thing: too many politicians have too much of a stake in the stock market. They’ll never allow it to crash. Government-provided bailouts and subsidies are the new norm. I was certain that the market would crumble when COVID happened. And it did, for about a week (shoulda invested then). But I’m fairly certain that a real, actual crash will never happen again. It should happen, they deserve it. But it won’t.

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Yep. I was already certain of that before COVID, as certain as I was that the media frenzy over it would cause a rather unwarranted crash. It should’ve dropped 10-15%, not 45%, but the market has liquidity issues every time there’s a global crisis, because foreign governments are forced to sell US-market assets to cover their dollar-denominated debts while trade freezes up. The only way for the government to intervene is to print money, and to print money quickly they have to use the central banks - which has no other tools than to give money to the big for-profit banks to increase their reserves, or to buy up assets. In 2008 they mostly gave money to the big banks, and got a decade of protests out of it. This time they mostly bought assets, which mostly made no difference as far as the end result but gave a little bit back to the “middle class” - to the extent there still is one - based on how much they managed to invest.

Sorry, I think I’ve gotten us a little bit off topic. :stuck_out_tongue: Started out with hemp cigarettes, and now somehow we’re onto macroeconomics and global trade patterns.

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Haha, it’s alright. I noticed you just joined three days ago, but if you’ve ever read any of my logs (yes, I realize this isn’t my log), they get off-topic real quick. Or maybe I get off-topic real quick haha. Talk about weed, talk about porn, talk about how much the DNC sucks, talk about Slayer… haha. Whatever I wanna talk about is what I’m gonna talk about.

You read Matt Stoller? Taibbi? Who else?

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I occasionally listen to Nathaniel Whittemore’s podcast, he’s more oriented on global power shifts, macroeconomics and Bitcoin in particular. I haven’t read either of those two, though I just looked them up and probably would find some common ground with either one; though Taibbi seems more right-wing oriented in particular, and I’d rather not even get into partisan politics. Both parties are corrupt, I don’t care about arguments to justify one by vilifying the other whether they’re coming from right-wing or left-wing maniacs. I’ve heard plenty from both sides, and they’re probably both right; and it doesn’t make either one more palatable to me. I’d rather watch it all burn, but until then I’m content to sit around and let the bankers pay my rent.

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Uggghhhhhh…. Taibbi is NOT right-wing. At all. It’s fucking crazy how anybody who (rightly) criticizes the Democratic Party, people instantly go,”Oh, he’s right-wing.” He is not. At all. He wrote a book about Eric Garner. He wrote multiple books about the corruption of Wall Street. He wrote several articles about how shitty Trump was.

Sorry haha, he’s one of my favorite journalists of all-time. And one of the only journalists who maintained a sense of humor through the Trump years. Honestly, he’s the closest thing to H. Thompson we’ve got. Funny as shit.

Stroller’s good, too, if you’re interested in economics and shit. Neither of them are “right-wing” at all, though. I’m about as Progressive as you can get. I wouldn’t be reading either of them if they were “right-wing.” They just criticize that which should be criticized. There’s a lot to be criticized these days… Like you said, ain’t no difference between political parties. Both sides only care about one thing: getting themselves and their donors wealthy.

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