Not quite…
The older the wiser
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Yeah but where did the magic come from which side?
Anything it touches is solid.
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This has turned into a great thread!
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Blueberry… 20 characters
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I’m not trying to diminish the importance of pheno hunting. All I’m saying is that unless you breed something, cuttings are all you will ever have. Even the most highly regarded cuttings get lost over time.
G13 surely produced some magical crosses. But it will never produce another hybrid again. It’s gone forever, only alive in myths and legends, and as bits and pieces in hybrids that were created from it.
Someone with an original cutting and some breeding initiative could have preserved a closer likeness. But it was never done. (Presumably because the outcrosses are better anyway)
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agreed. i had a dj short bb that just would not perform for me. smell and taste were great, but it was just about the pickiest cut i have ever worked with. oddly enough, that same cut ran just fine outdoors and at a friends indoor garden. maybe she just didnt like me. either way, i wouldnt grow it again unless someone i really liked asked for it
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BB is pickier than fuck almost needs to be grown like a sativa with low nutes.
Needs to be in dirt and all organic nutes used sparingly.
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i figured as much. my indoor is all hydro.
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Do you have another story on G13? Like I said, I wasn’t there, so I’m asking.
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Pass -Nope don’t have no stories on it.
I got a cross from a socal g13 clone,is all I can add to this.
Sorry
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I am so new to growing, I wish I could add more to this thread. I have experienced some local genetics that were less then favorable.
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I think you can still get some premium genetics from shanti. Jmo…
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It’s true that there is still SOME selection to be done when pheno hunting, but it’s merely recognition of good qualities in plant you already have, I don’t see that as remotely the same as having a breeding plan and selecting traits from various genetics and coming up with something unique or customize to your own requirements. For me I mostly breed my own because it’s really hard to get reliable plants from commercial beans that are satisfactory as is , especially for our outdoor environment here.
My way of thinking this is the entire point of breeding i.e. selecting very specific characteristics and crossing and backcrossing till you have reliably fixed that trait, then moving on to the next trait, anything else is simply pollen chucking and hoping one of the thousands of phenos might be half decent, which is fine fro what it is, but it’s not selective breeding.
Of course the flip side to this is excessive and long periods of inbreeding leading to plants with severely compromised vigour, which imho is what initally screwed sensi seeds before they then went and tried to “fix” everything by introducing some genetic variation… all of a sudden none of the old sensi seed strains were the same… and somehow the introduction of new genetics ended up with mostly shittier results… I have NO idea how such a thing happens in a commercial breeding situation. All I know is that I would never dream of selling anything I wouldn’t gladly grow myself and be happy with.
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Are u saying Sour Tangie is no good or nobody could reproduce it cuz I am on a hunt for that sour tangie if
It grows how I bought it.
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Hmm I have grown out Crockett’s Tangie a number of times, it’s been a bit hit a miss and not all of the pheno’s seem to have that intense overripe mandarin skin aroma tangie is famous for and none of it has been mindblowingly potent. BUT when you get a good pheno of it, the intense aroma is like nothing else I have grown… and when cured and bagged punters can’t get enough of it.
I have no idea what the Sour Tangie is like but I made some fems of Tangie/NYC Diesel for growing my outdoor setup this year so I might have to make a journal of them, I am hoping the NYD adds some much needed potency. I wouldn’t completely write off Tangie, it can have some unique characteristics I have not seen elsewhere.
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We did a pheno hunt of Tangie last summer, and I agree 100%. Smells were hit and miss. The ones that nice were really nice stanky orange smell - but seemed it was only a couple out of several that smelled real nice.
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My plan has been to make plenty of F2s and/or F3s each time I go down that road. Seems like exactly what I will want some day when I feel things are getting stale.
No, that’s true. But IMO, you don’t always need a breeding plan in your F1 generation either. It’s too unpredictable, and there’s something in the phrase “you don’t know what you don’t know”. Exploration is important, and I think opening your mind to what the plant has to show you has a kind of artistic importance as well.
But for me, back to a methodical approach when trying to figure out how to make that plant the best at doing what I liked about it.
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True that, I guess pheno hunts of all sorts are where you find the breeding gems to pick from… I have found It gets a lot more challenging with traits that are polygenic i.e. not all inheritance being mendelian etc. I have seen traits vanish for the first generation only to pop up in later generations out of nowhere and some traits just seen impossible to pass on no matter how many cracks I have had at it. I have no idea what inheritance does for polygenic traits in plants you self but I do know it’s LONG way from a guarantee your offspring plants will be the same as their mother. If only it were as simple as pollen chucking one plant over another!
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Yes I’m sure Neville said that he crossed the g-13 as it was losing vigour to i think skunk.
There is or was at least one g13 cross not to the hazes.
Think it’s the g13 x widow that is actually g13 skunk x widow.
But I’m also sure I’ve seen a picture of Jim Ortega with either a cola or clone of g13 that Neville sent him and I think one other person in states, my memory is hazey though.
But I’ve spent a lot of years researching strains and where I can get as close to the original offering as possible. ( the specimen that brought tha hype)
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Nope got it crossed to AToA
Arcatta Trainwreck
It’s Airborne g13 x ATOA
The Airborne is Thee cut most sought after as far as g13 goes.
And yep that would explain the pic with Ortega
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