I agree the Durban and Congolese Fatleaved landrace floweringtimes STAND OUT like a colored Dog… tho…
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Relief Map of Africa (height) Around Tanzania till Durban, thats the highest region
matches almost with the Fatleaved Durban-Congo encounters,… well almost…
So, are these mountaincultivars ?-
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There are statements by those that were there that skunk was bred with Mel’s/Ed’S Durban in Amsterdam by Dave Watson. I do not dispute that. The South African sourced Durbans that I grew were sativa phenos similar to SW Mexican sativas. No indica in them that I saw. Other South African landraces like Transkei that I have grown have pure sativa phenotypes very similar to Colombian. Super skinny leaves, long skinny colas, later blooming (not as late as Colombian, but later than SW Mexican landraces).
Now what was the true origin of skunk is another highly debated subject, as well as what strains are in it.
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Well, scientists do not agree and they did not when the three species of Cannabis were poorly established. I do not accept the distinction of indica and sativa as species. Genetics show that the THC producing Cannabis strains that we call sativa and indica overlap and are almost genetically indistinguishable. Any species division within the genus Cannabis made by geneticists would be the THC producing indica and sativa strains classified as a single species, and ruderalis and the north European CBD producing hemp strains classified together as another species. Classifying them by phenotye is in error IMO. But I am not a botanist or a geneticist. I am a horticulturalist. Also with modern hybrids these species boundaries have all been blurred. Source: Indica and sativa labels are largely meaningless when it comes to cannabis complexities
As for what is a hybrid, heirloom or landrace is another debate. For me a landrace is a strain grown as bag weed in the 1960s through the mid 1980s. Some regions still grow them, like in the Beqaa Valley in Lebanon. Most regional landraces from the 1960s have been replaced by or bred with Pakistani/Afghani genetics. That has happened in Morocco, South India, Colombia, Mexico, and elsewhere. So we are left with a lot of regional hybrids where landraces once grew. Where those landraces originated from is another debate.
FYI to the general reading audience here: research indicates that the origin of Cannabis is more likely to be in Tibet where it diverged from hops 28 Mya). The earliest pollen records of Cannabis have been identified from Tibet dating back to about 20 Mya. Cannabis then spread first to Europe 6 Mya, and then to East China 1.2 Mya. Cannabis pollen does not appear on the Indian subcontinent until about 32 Kya. Source: Cannabis in Asia: its center of origin and early cultivation, based on a synthesis of subfossil pollen and archaeobotanical studies | Vegetation History and Archaeobotany
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this thing didnt happen in the 70s BASICALLY SAID, not like you mean it in “the globalized times”.
So, were there necessarlyAfghani influence in evrything fatleved-equatorial in the good old times reamins, not prooven. or widely accepted-founded-in-this-logic.
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The only Places where shortflowering equatorials are found is where there are high Mountains in the region.
I marked all those astonding shortflowerig finds in the 70s…
Height-map:
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I have to correct me, it matches perfectly , not almost. The fatleaved Congolese comes from a high region… Aswell fatleaved Vietnamese Thai, Mexican i believe come from mountains, dont know exact point of collection in those (if mountainregion or not) , but mountains near all of those…
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The weed we bought wasn’t cultivated by white people: you had to go to the townships and the grows were deep in the homelands where the cops never went without serious firepower, the thing was no matter where you went or it got it from it was same weed in Durban area (Kwa zulu Natal). Makes me think it wouldn’t spread to everywhere just like in Transkei if you go deep enough you will find remnants of the landrace. I think the easiest way to check is to ask the zulus since they have been using weed in their religious ceremonies for god knows how long
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Durban area has a totally different climate though its like living in a sauna 12 months a year
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Since hybridization created better strains, it only makes sense that strains from different locations were often crossed.
This fundamental breeding tech has been used so often that now it’s virtually impossible to find any endogenous unmolested strains.
Fact is, true hybrids exhibit hybrid vigor.
The vigor may no result in something that you can. The vigor may be in the potency, or terps, over abundant frost.
However the case, vigor is hardly seen any more because of a previous relationship amongst the strains.
Everyone dreams of crossing the African strains to the Indian strains, or to the Mexican strains. You know wherever. But think about it….people where doing that long before most of us knew what bud was. Meaning there is a very slim chance of making a true hybrid(vigor) utilizing any readily available genetics.
The unfortunate truth is, even if a form of vigor did occur, would the breeder be keen enough to spot it. Or would the vigor manifest itself in a positive manner.
Bigger bud, higher potency, new cannabinoids, louder terps, is the type of vigor that we hope for. But in reality, we can get the opposite results. A breeder may never realize that they are creating a strain with negative genetics effect. Such as a lack of terps.
As the lack of terp strain is continually breed into the modern genetics, they become genetically predisposed to having less nose on them.
The decrease is gradual so much so, that most will hardly notice it for years. Until one day, some says hey, my bud don’t stink anymore.
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disagree? the most thin stuff i had, well who knows what it was, but saaaaaativa, was MY best.
Pure Indica effects were secound favorite…
anything in the middle i dont need in MY live
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So now I am definitely going to grow my Kwa Zulu beans this year. No sauna here though. Its the dry summer heat in the western US. Wet in the winter here. Its flooding all over the PNW today.
Curious to know, where is the Pondo in location there compared to the Zulu? Different climate? I also have beans from Pondo.
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that’s south down the coast in Transkei: I spent a year living on the beach in Port St Jones which is close by: amazing countryside and most shark attacks on the planet the climate is is much less humid once you leave the coast
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Agree with your dsagree. Hybrids often times created more potent THC strains. But they tended to be more stony and less of a high. Many still reek.
I grow predominantly sativa landraces from seed collected in the 1970s. Bag weed seed… everyone had them by the hundreds, but not everyone knew how to preserve them.
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We all have our preferences. I prefer a well balanced high with attributes of both sativa and indica.
I like for every nerve in my head and well as every nerve in my body to be tingling at the same time. I love it when I start to sweat and my hair stands up as chill bumps cover my body.
My fist thought is always … oh yeah, this is about to be fun. Shid, I hope i can handle it. But I’m already knowing that it’s too late to change anything now. It’s time to ride it out.
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I am at a loss to figure out what you are alluding to here. Durban, South Africa is not equatorial or even in the tropics. Any more than San Diego is. -30, +32 degrees respectively. As for the origins of strains in Central America, the western hemisphere has no pre-historical evidence of Cannabis growing anywhere before 1525 when the Spanish brought hemp to grow in Mexico and Chile for rope and sailcloth. That was brought there from Manila in the Philippines, and genetic tests show that SW Mexican landraces grown up until the 1970s descended from those imported strains are most closely related to South India strains. From my experiences growing late 1970s Colombian and SE Asian strains, as well as published genetic comparisons, Colombian regional strains most likely originated from SE Asia and as recently as the 1800s.
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You want Kerala Ganja mon. The gooey stuff. Or Punto Rojo Colombian. Its mountain grown. Both are old school sativas. I like a lift and a mood elevator myself. Maui Waui Cherry Bomb (a hybrid), or Colombian Gold, or Durban Poison. The problem with Durban is that you have to wait about 30 minutes before the real high kicks in. Lest you smoke too much and then WHAM! Too late… where is the CBD… CBD will bring you down if you are rushing too much or get too freaked out from being stoned. It is a very weird feeling during the transition, but you will come down.
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ok, :
im seeing a pattern between shortflowering Equatorial plants an Mountains.
Mamamia, the non-equatorial “wrong circle” from durban and mexico? confuses you, well… then think it away, i made a mistake. Any shortflowering equatorial seems to be found at mountain-regions, no?
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Pondo is a Transkei strain, found close to the coast. My friend says the pure stuff is in the Kings land, and you have to bribe the king to go there. There is a cultivar of Pondo called pondo mystic. And this is used by natives to go into a trance like state to communicate with the dead. If you have African seed Company version, that’s what you have
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do you think it is possible that the genetics from south africa were already in the states being grown before ed and mel, brought light to them?? i would say yes but not sure 100% on that theroy.
im also wondering if any surfers could have brought some south african durabn cultivators with them back to the states since surfing is big in durban as well as the rest of the world where there were big waves.
i think they were unnamed and grown way before the actual durban poison was even in the spotlight by ed and mel. \what are your thoughts on this?
thanks for coming in this thread and bringing some stories with you, i appreciate it
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