50° North Outdoor 2023, which cultivar to grow?

[JohnnyAce]

@Swe-can

I say the safest card is to go with autos and find a sunny spot with at least 8 hours direct sun, everything above that is just better, if you got more Scandinavian weather like we do these guys have a lot of good seeds for you

Thanks for the links. Didn’t know there was much breeding going on in Scandinavia. Do you have a favorite Auto that gets done at your latitude?

[JohnnyAce]

@cannaloop

I have done indoor light simulations and have basically figured out that for me, the shortest a plant can start flowering and still have a chance is at 13.5 of light, but it better not take its time or be too sensitive to cold etc. C99 is right on this line (tad earlier), but doesn’t waste time, especially in the greenhouse.

“Indoor light simulations”: I love it. That’s some really good stuff, every breeder should be forced by law to do this. Most descriptions just miss the relevant data. The C99 is getting pretty high on my list.

@cannaloop

This has turned into a good resource, so please start a thread when you get going.

Happy to see northerners around the world are sharing information. Would be interesting to see what people are growing around 50° south (Chile, Argentina, South New Zealand).

Anyway as I said my country is planing to legalize in 2023. I would like to know if there is some kind of product (flower, extract, etc.) that is produced outdoor (no greenhouse) in Canada and sold on the legal market?

[JohnnyAce]

I was just writing, it would be nice to see what people at 50° south are growing. Thanks man.

[JohnnyAce]

@Dirt_Wizard

Good thread from @jessethestoner who’s outdoors in Alberta:

Thanks, good information. I will have a lot of reading to do in the next weeks.

[JohnnyAce]

@Herrsquidward

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your first year may require some pheno-hunting.

Honestly I would love to phenohunt, but there will be legal and other restrictions that will make it difficult.

[JohnnyAce]

@jessethestoner

at 50 degrees north, for something you can be assured will give a good harvest you need some semi autos and autos. I find this is because while your season may end mid october, the weather isnt that great past early september even in a good year. you want something done by august or early september, when the weather is still good and we get good sun intensity.

Yeah, I guess that is something I probably have to accept that after Mid-September there is not a lot of ripening going on. The thing I’m asking is if a dried and cured flower from an early September Auto can compete in quality with a longer flowering Photo (that has gone to completion). Or do growers at 50° north have to live with a lower quality Product.

@jessethestoner

In my mental definition, semi autos are plants that can initiate flowering over minor changes in conditions and will not reveg once its flowering stage has begun.

Thanks for the clarification a lot of talk about semi-autos going on without a clear definition.

@jessethestoner

In Canada’s outdoor scene there are a few different strains that you could keep a mom of, and just take clones that would go into flowering outside.

That sounds kind of perfect. Anything you can recommend? Thanks

@jessethestoner

autos can be great now, big yielding and decent smoke in the right families. I think that you should consider getting a few packs of a good auto strain, do a seed run and just grow the offspring from seed.

I was planing on producing some auto fem seeds with STS, but running regular Autos might be the safer bet. Havent gone to your thread:

Who else out there grows at 53 degrees north?

I have been growing outdoors in alberta for some time now and have mixed experiences and tests. Typically i have used photoperiods and a greenhouse of some sort, where i can take the plants and put them indoors at 7 and take them out at 7 in the morning. Standard light dep stuff. Then i got into autos for the last 2 outdoor cycles, good plants that can finish where i am, but the yield and quality arent up to my snuff. Makes great hashes. This past year, i have done reserach into more light se…

Do you have a recommendation for Auto cultivars to do a seed run?

[Shevchenko]

@JohnnyAce

The C99 is getting pretty high on my list.

I recently finished the cycle with C99 and in the context of your requirements I have to say that the boy I left for further breeding at 18/6 is trying to bloom. After finding out this feature, I plan to use it for breaking with my early mothers. However, along with this advantage is also a minus - mother plants do not have a very strong ability to resist mold.

[JohnnyAce]

@Herrsquidward

Kashmir would be a good place to start looking for genetics. Some places there have a climate similar to 50 N.

Thanks. My quick search came up with Kashmir Baramulla Valley from Aceseeds that needs up to 14 weeks for bloom and one from tlt that finishes early October. Ok searching little longer I come up with this:

https://www.indianlandraceexchange.com/genetic-library/

The high latitute highlands are probably of interest. The variety from Lolab Valley looks cool and under 50 days of flowering (the question remains when will flowering kick in).

LOLAB VALLEY – IndianLandraceExchange

[JohnnyAce]

@Shevchenko

Therefore, it is very important at our latitude is the period when the plant blooms and for what period the peak of flowering and the intensity of light.

Yeah light is key. In my earlier search I was a bit fixated on duration of flowering, but of course it is even more important when flowering starts and what is triggering the plant to flower. A longer flowering variety would be cool that starts flower in june…

@Shevchenko

Along with the above, I would like to point out that the same weather conditions have a lot of influence on the date of starting the flowering of the plant, that is, I have Caramelo Fast Version Clones of one plant bloom in different years in different years, depending on the temperature. The colder a year, the later the flowering begins.

I was reading a bit about Phenology yesterday:

Phenology

Things like onset of flower are well documented for some indicator plants over Europe and there are big differences even along the same latitude regarding the start of flower. Climate change is also doing its thing and making growing seasons for a lot of plants longer.

[JohnnyAce]

@RoryBorealis

Do not discount landrace cultivars altogether. They are far superior to modern hybrids when handling cold, mold/botyritis and pests. You may find some of the Pakistani cultivars that meet all of your needs.

It’s a shame how many genetics where lost in the last 100 years, preservation of genetics is very important and they bring a lot to the table. Do you know a specific cultivar you can recommend? Thanks

[JohnnyAce]

The Erdpurt x Friesland (M33) is interesting. I will definitely getting some kind of Friesland seeds.

Outdoor

They have a lot of interesting breeders and seed producer.

Texada Timewarp is also up on my list. Thanks for the links (realgorillaseeds looks cool too).

[Dirt_Wizard]

Some good info on the Lolab here from a breeder in Maine who selected it outdoors a season or two before breeding. His worked pure Lolab is sold out, but the crosses are still up, I wonder if the “A Real Poncho” cross with a highland Oaxacan would work for you? Hoku ships international and carries some really interesting and different landrace and alternative Type II and Type III cannabinoid genetics besides some Type I seeds like The Guy Downtown:

Shop — Hoku Seed Co.

Shop — Hoku Seed Co.

Shop — Hoku Seed Co.

[Dirt_Wizard]

You’re welcome, I hope you and your friends end up having a great first legal season in your country whatever you choose!

[Dirt_Wizard]

The Erdpurt has a great story behind it, according to the guys from Hybrids from Hell (who would know):

Erdpurt (Hybrids from hell) :: Cannabis Strain Info

[JohnnyAce]

@Dirt_Wizard

Some good info on the Lolab here from a breeder in Maine who selected it outdoors a season or two before breeding. His worked pure Lolab is sold out, but the crosses are still up, I wonder if the “A Real Poncho” cross with a highland Oaxacan would work for you?

I think I’m in love with the Lolab. If the timing of flowering as a plant property is prioritized she sounds like the next best thing to ruderalis. Only with THC. You can sure breed some insane crosses suited for a specific 50° N micro climate with that pure Lolab.

[JohnnyAce]

@Dirt_Wizard

The Erdpurt has a great story behind it …

I was thinking about it the other day why there is seemingly no info on crosses between industrial hemp and THC-varieties. Im pretty sure some commercial breeders and cultivators are breeding with industrial hemp. It seems to have to many advantages not to use it. I think most of them are Autos anyway only for industrial use.

[JohnnyAce]

@Shevchenko

I recently finished the cycle with C99 and in the context of your requirements I have to say that the boy I left for further breeding at 18/6 is trying to bloom.

That’s cool.

@Shevchenko

However, along with this advantage is also a minus - mother plants do not have a very strong ability to resist mold.

But mold resistants is less important with an early flowering variety.

[cannaloop]

@Shevchenko

I recently finished the cycle with C99 and in the context of your requirements I have to say that the boy I left for further breeding at 18/6 is trying to bloom. After finding out this feature, I plan to use it for breaking with my early mothers. However, along with this advantage is also a minus - mother plants do not have a very strong ability to resist mold.

What C99 are you running? It wouldn’t be the Female Seeds version would it? One of the main reasons I have continued working with C99 in an outdoor context is the mold resistance. I have had a couple plants that got a little bit, but most seem virtually mold proof. IME the males definitely like to flower when they become even slightly rootbound and pistillate males are common (contrary to legend), but I have never found even one intersex female. I have not been able to figure out if the tendency to flower under 18/6 results in offspring that onset earlier, so hopefully you find out more there.

[RoryBorealis]

Yes. Malana Cream

Malana Cream - The Real Seed Company - Cannabis Landrace

Tirah

Tirah - The Real Seed Company - Cannabis Landrace Seeds

Lolab and Baramulla Valley are two more from that region that will harvest in your area.

[RoryBorealis]

Pakistan Chitral is another from the area that will work well in your area.