Announcement/general discussion thread about changes to seed runs

[Herbie]

@DougDawson

there is no set standard but should be able to survive the postal rollers.

Clearing the rollers is not something the centrifuge vials widely used in past boxes can do. This is a new requirement, and I am not sure if it should be so, since we are talking a box and not letter mail and reduces options available to contributors. The recent Wolfpack distribution is an example. Clearly they need to be labeled well, of course.

"For instance, if a landrace is entered into the mix, have a couple knowledgeable LR folks provide insight "

How will you guys be interacting with the landrace team? Or will they need to create their own network?

[Pawsfodocaws]

I have a short indy hybrid that has been grown on the farm since the 70s, the seeds are from the 70s and it has an old school smoke and what not to it. I still have some stock. Some people have bred with it and grown it out, short stocky plant. Was told it had a leathery, to meat smell to it when cured. Super mold resistant and pest resistant. Perfect for the pnw. Would this be considered? I would gladly supply someone with them for a run. You won’t find these anywhere. @DougDawson a couple members whom have grown it and bred with it, not sure about @Instg8ter . @zephyr made a nice cross with it. They would have more information and possibly some pictures of this plant. I might be able to dig some up.

[Pawsfodocaws]

Also amazingly viable still…

[DougDawson]

@Herbie

Clearing the rollers is not something the centrifuge vials widely used in past boxes can do. This is a new requirement, and I am not sure if it should be

The only people that would need to worry about packaging are those using the Co-op distribution network who were not approved as Co-op run. That said the centrifuge tubes that have been used would be acceptable as they have been in the past if that’s what the grower wanted to use. It would be nice to have stuff able to survive the postal rollers because there is some letter mail involved depending on what a user signed up for but we won’t reject centrifuge tubes.

Who are you speaking of when you mention “the Landrace team”? We are happy to take knowledge from anyone who has it.

[DougDawson]

Hey @Pawsfodocaws , it would be very helpful if you could come up with some more info on the strain.

[Herbie]

@DougDawson

Who are you speaking of when you mention “the Landrace team”? We are happy to take knowledge from anyone who has it.

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Happy New Year Overgrow!!! Welcome to the Freaker’s Ball Seed Collective, (FBSC). Misson The mission of the FBSC is the preservation of verified, authentic rare landrace/heirloom/hybrid cannabis genetics by mass replication and distribution to the OG community. History The FBSC was founded in August 2020 from a group of OG seed Freaks who pooled funds to purchase some Vietnamese Dalat, and Vietnamese Black seeds from Snowhigh Seeds. Due to the cost involved, those seeds came with numerou…

[DougDawson]

Ah, ok, I assumed you meant the Freakers, just was not sure if you meant some other group I had not heard of when you called them the Landrace team. I can’t see any landrace strains not being accepted as a co-op. They would likely all be considered rare or discontinued.

[Pawsfodocaws]

Sorry I cannot. Don’t talk to that family any more. Just know it was their staple / strain. Grown for years in the pnw. Very hardy, like I said I can’t get info on it. Besides maybe some information from @Instg8ter or @zephyr . They are the most recent to have grown them out.

[DougDawson]

OK man, let’s see what they say. Just a bit of a tough one due to the lack of info bud. The qualities you mentioned are interesting.

[Pawsfodocaws]

Definitely understand. I thought I’d mention it, being a hardy pnw strain grown here for years…might help some people out. They should have smoke reports and breeding info on it, atleast zephyr should. He crossed it,… we will see what they say… @zephyr @Instg8ter , when you have time could you please provide any info you got from growing this strain, much appreciated. Thank you guys!

[G-paS]

@Herbie

Clearing the rollers is not something the centrifuge vials widely used in past boxes can do. This is a new requirement, and I am not sure if it should be so,

@Herbie it isn’t a rule

@DougDawson

That said the centrifuge tubes that have been used would be acceptable as they have been in the past if that’s what the grower wanted to use. It would be nice to have stuff able to survive the postal rollers because there is some letter mail involved depending on what a user signed up for but we won’t reject centrifuge tubes.

Centrifuge tubs are fine as everything I send is in tracked bubble mailers. Flips do work better for space in the envelops. Yes, If I need to send overseas to an individual, flips in a card are better. I did repackage some into flips last time to get those across the boarder.

If you do use the tubes please stick to the smaller 0.5ml ones.

@Herbie

How will you guys be interacting with the landrace team? Or will they need to create their own network?

@Herbie They have a net work for their folks. Any of their overflows automatically are included in the co-op network

[Herbie]

Couple of quick questions here-

1. Some of us were sent seeds by Sebring and asked when they will be run by @G-paS. These seeds if we run them will be included as coops? The run will earn an overgrow badge and not have to be individually packed by those people?
2. What is going on with the donated seeds listed in the thread that were to be coops afaik?
   Strain Donations and Breeder Match Ups for Preserving

[drgreensleeves]

Wooowhooo I finally found the answers I was looking for! Lol lol lol shit took took me like 3 weeks ! Lol lol oh sht I was worried sick lol I’m glad that’s done thank you for your time and patience @DougDawson @G-paS and everyone else behind the scenes making this all possible y’all are the sh#+ , long live overgrow edit I should get like a door prize or something:) lol

[drgreensleeves]

Dang , smh , now what ok so now I got to register? I assume it is for shipping info?

[HeadyBearAdventures]

Hey @coopactiongroup during a conversation here last night, it was brought up that f2’s generally do not qualify for co-op sponsored reproduction.
In an earlier version of the cooperative outline though, I’m fairly certain that reproduction of lines preserved by the Co-op is encouraged every couple of years or so:

@MomOnTheRun

We will try to do a repeat strain seed run every other year ie Skunk 91 done in 2019 - repeat needed in 2021, 2023 etc

Obviously every 2 years would place a huge strain on the system with an ever increasing load, but i feel that ongoing preservation was the original intention of the co-op. I think @Gpaw even utilized coop preservation seeds from 2020 to keep the OG’er going (correct me if I’m wrong brother).
So here’s the question: If the intention of the cooperative is to continue reproducing these genetics every few years, and if they come from reproductions where we can clearly document their provenance (most co-op runs do), and we obviously know reproduction was done via open pollination because it was done here in the forums, shouldn’t we allow OG preserved genetics to be approved for continued reproduction?

[Gpaw]

@HeadyBearAdventures

@Gpaw even utilized coop preservation seeds from 2020 to keep the OG’er going (correct me if I’m wrong brother).

Yes, that was 2020 from Mongobongo and a pack from the previous generation from BareFrog (not sure when that run happened).
If we store the beans properly they should be good for 5 to 10 years.

Cheers
G

[DougDawson]

It’s really a matter of provenance. Generally when you get F2’s from outside OG you don’t have an idea of how they were F2’ed. You don’t know where they got the F1’s that they F2’ed. You don’t know if they open pollinated or selected a male cutting out all the others or selected a female cutting out all the others. You don’t know if they had hermie issues that never were spoken of. Using F2’s from an OG run means the F1’s were vetted and we all saw the grow. That is what makes the difference in those scenario’s.

[HeadyBearAdventures]

Cool cool, then it would follow that f2’s that were previously vetted and distributed via the co-op could be submitted to the action group for a future reproduction; am I interpreting correctly?

[DougDawson]

Yes, reproduction’s that were done here on OG through the Co-op would generally be accepted. It’s not really about seeds being F2’s that’s the issue but more the inability to guarantee what F2’s really are when coming from outside sources. The last thing we want OG to be known for is spreading the wrong genetics around.

[HeadyBearAdventures]

Agreed and understood. I take no issue with any of the standards set forth, just trying to be clear on the finer points