Chemical, or Organic. What's really the best?

The last 260 posts say otherwise lol.

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People think about the penny they save boiling eggshells for calcium, not the dollar they spend roasting them in a hot oven for 2 hrs lol. I wonder how much Co2 burning eggshells in a gas or electric oven nets? Since weā€™re still mostly on coal power if itā€™s electric.

Iā€™m cheap but I spend money where it saves me real time and effort and pays for itself.

Everything costs. Iā€™d argue in some cases organic fertilizer is a net negative for the environment.

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They choose to make it that way.

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Living soil needs time to establish itself, you canā€™t expect soil to be perfect straight out of an airtight bag. Regardless of whether it is certified organic or not, they need the right ingredients and that varies from bag to bag and company to company. Always add extra malted barley, basalt, kelp, alfalfa, or whatever material is similar and suitable. Keep using the same soil and adding organic matter, it pays off in the long run.

Organic and permaculture methods are a little extra work in the beginning but once itā€™s going itā€™s very easy to maintain. And even if it does take more work than nutes it doesnā€™t feel like it, itā€™s fun to work with organic matter, itā€™s like therapy to me.

I donā€™t use compost teas or toasted eggshells, @vernal youā€™re right about that not making any sense when it comes to energy saving. But then again, most of us are using lights which is insane in that regard but hey, itā€™s a matter of legality, if it was legal to grow, my garden would be full of weed.

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He said he tried for several years bro how long does one have to wait?

I put plants in media and water with fertilizer and they just start growing.

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It takes some research. If youā€™re not willing to be patient and learn then by all means use nutes.
I still have a lot to learn too.

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I offset the electricity of my grow by replacing all of my household bulbs with LEDs. In fact I use LESS energy than I used to. Only by a bit though. It cost a few bucks.

What assurances do you have that this malted barley and alfalfa are organic? Iā€™d bet they arenā€™t. Even if they are they still got to you on a truck.

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So maybe in a few years I can grow some just-OK bud, and less of it?

Gee where do I sign up?

Usually when someone says ā€œdo your researchā€ thereā€™s something fishy.

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I didnā€™t realize how many light bulbs are in a house until I went to replace all mine.

6 watt draw on a bulb vs 60-100 wattsā€¦itā€™s nice. My neighborhood isā€¦not great and I like to leave outdoor lights on for safety.

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My overhead lights alone save 400w.

Costs $100 and saves $15 bucks a month. Itā€™s a no brainer.

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@vernal
@Foreigner

You guys are spot on on that. It is much more important to understand that you are part on the environment/ecosystem and you and your actions impact that system. And it would do people good to have more awareness and thoughtfulness how things are produced, what happens to their waste, and what their other options are.

So much of the argument on either side is always more in the terms of absolutes, when somewhere between is a more sustainable solution. IE meat. Animals are an important part of sustainable agriculture. By not eating meat, you are removing yourself from supporting the smaller farmers in your area who are raising animals in a humane and sustainable way. Instead the. You go and buy some morning star farms burger, or impossible whatever, that is made from factory farmed ingredients. You are still supporting the same agricultural practices and industry you were trying to stick it to. Less meat, support systems you believe in.

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I love meat. I eat meat all the time. I just eat small portions of it.

I donā€™t remember the numbers but the argument goes something like - ā€œeach pound of meat takes 20 pounds of grain to produce and we could be using that extra grain to completely eliminate world hunger.ā€ And water resources are in there somewhere too.

Something like that.

But I think youā€™re right. An all or nothing approach doesnā€™t really help.

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donā€™t panic, itā€™s organic.

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Now THATā€™s a heavy harvestā€¦

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Very impressive! Almost a 2 pounder

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Its 5lbs of grain. But you can take that 5 lbs of grain, feed it to insects and get 5 lbs of protein. So insects proteins can go a loooong way to help our practices too. You can buy cricket bread, and other baked goods online already. And their frags makes excellent fertilizers

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I blew the instructions on growing the worlds largest, I was only supposed to let a single tomato grow, and I got three of them, oops!

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Thanks for clarifying.

Thereā€™s a big yuck factor for bugs thatā€™s hard to overcome.

Itā€™s silly, we covet crabs and lobsters and theyā€™re just as ugly. I think grinding insects up into a flour for bread as youā€™ve mentioned is maybe the most appetizing. Or maybe fried worms? Better than baloney? Who can say.

Had chocolate grasshoppers once.

Iā€™m happy to eat beans and lentils though.

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sorry, I thought that this was a discussion about which is best, Chemical or Organic pain relief?

regards,

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Yes sir it is. I know itā€™s a controversial and debatable subject but a necessary one for overgrow. The whole intent is to better ourselves

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