No, they really aren’t. Plants need 13 elements, that’s it. Gypsum the mined mineral isn’t any different than lab made calcium sulfate, it’s just less pure.
All y’all organic people say that, but of course it’s subjective criteria that can’t be proven, anything quantifiable always seems to suggest salt based nutrition is better.
I’ve never seen or smoked organic weed that’s better than what I can grow…ever. I’ve seen smaller less dense organic weed though lol.
Most people have not had really well done living soil ganja; it’s wayyy less commonplace. I’m not surprised you have yet to find any. You seem to be very closed minded to the possibility.
I’ve seen plenty of fat, dense, bland hydro; it’s kind of hard to miss these days.
Grown in hydro and soil. Did salts in hydro and organic and salts in soil. Could never tell a difference in flavor/smell/ between organic and salts both in what I’ve grown and others’ product. I also can’t tell the difference in produce. My mother in law is nutty with organic products, both produce and other, and everything I’ve sampled hasn’t had distinctly noticeable qualities where I’d say, “I’m definitely buying organic (insert product) from now on!”
Imo, with cannabis, it’s more about hitting your desired ratios, timing, and other conditions more than the organic vs. chemical components. Then again, I have organic farming buddies that will scream at me that they can taste the difference when not smoking organics. @vernal comparison with religion is truly very close to this argument.
Oh dang so it’s this mystical art that none of the dozens of growers I’ve ever sampled from seem to have mastered…OK gotcha. We’re looking for a unicorn.
I’ve been known to smoke a little pot here and there, ya know.
For my system, not necessarily your system. There is not a wrong answer. Responsible, well flushed salts consistently outperform even the most expertly grown organic, living soil, or ferment product for my disabling Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Poorly flushed salts are terrible. Even sun-grown living soil by 20 year vets just never seems up to potential, and sure it’ll get me pleasantly buzzed, but the effects don’t match salt ins for me.
My shoulder was hanging out of place for 8 hours the other day, and I def wasn’t like where is the organics. I was where is the fucking strongest, most potent, least coughing ass concentrate in the house, it ended up being Banana Milk salt grown diamonds.
The ones at the bottom are in organic soil, haven’t been fed anything beyond calmag and some molasses so far. Obviously the hempies on the shelf are pure salts. Granted the 2 biggest hempies are auto flowers, but wow are they thriving. I don’t know if I’ve ever had healthier, happier plants.
And my DWC, it’s at least 4 times bigger than 30 days ago, I just can’t compare the two types of growth. I have one gg4xogk seed left. In soil itgrows rock dense buds, I might have to sprout it and grow a clone of it in my DWC bucket this fall.
The 2 biggest hempies and soil all sprouted within 3 days of eachother.
I’ve been an organic soil grower for years, but if the flavor and smell is still there, I could see switching to hempies with an automated watering system. I couldn’t do all DWC, I don’t want to haul that much water.
@vernal
There’s that arrogance again. Just because those 13 elements are the limits of our understanding does not mean those are the limits of what exists and how things work. And doesn’t take into account the benefits of a healthy microbiome vs sterile environment, which are many.
The same forces that have allowed humans to evolve to this point, where we are having this discussion, are the exact same forces that have caused the ecosystems around you to adapt, change, and evolve to where they are.
Does it not seem arrogant, and even down right silly to fight against all of this to fight for a sterile environment because somehow we know how EVERY little piece of it works better.
It seems much easier, far less resource intensive, more sustainable, and overall healthier to try to combine our knowledge with the collective effort of all these different organisms that have evolved over time to support and nourish each other. I understand there are times when salt or inorganic type inputs are the responsible ones to use. To say that it is better to use them solely is incredibly inaccurate and short sighted.
I’m open to having my opinion swayed, but the lazy argument of what is essentially “we know everything there is to know about our ecosystem and how plants interact with it” isn’t going to do it. And for some reason you have to keep going back to it. Give us something good to get us thinking.
I have never had a vegetable, fruit, or plant of any kind grown grown hydroponically or other primarily salt based style that has tasted anywhere near as good as even mediocre produce from a decent farm. For the best produce I source things from farms that take care of their soil, as these as the things that taste best by a long shot.
@catapult Magic isn’t real though dawg…kids know that. Herbs and crystals and wishes and moonbeams don’t cure diseases and feed people.
@MantisTobogganMD all that sounds good, but then you grow the dankest shit ever with 13 elements. So…your theory says there’s so much more we’re missing…doesn’t hold water.
If the plants needed something else, man, they sure don’t act like it haha. If organics was better at providing the things plants need, you’d get better yields and bigger buds than salt based nutrition…but you don’t. Results over feelings.
Should we not perform surgery with sterile techniques because we don’t know everything about the human body? Just rub dirt on it lol. The evidence is on my side, best y’all can do is say “bbbbbuuuutttt it tastes better vernal!”
How about high disease resistance, overall stronger plants, and overall more adaptable? That not just good for your plant that’s good for the gene pool.
In an ecosystem the plants and organisms communicate and help to support each other(as much as they compete) because it is mutually beneficial. In a sterile, fully fabricated system a minor failure quickly turns into a major failure. You can try to grow in a vacuum, but you can’t grow in a vacuum. The universe trends towards entropy.
Growing plants isn’t preforming surgery. Surgery on plants should happen in sterile conditions. Tissue culture is a really cool tool, and those kind of plant things do and should happen in sterile conditions. Growing of all plants should not. A tool to use, not the default way to sustain.
I don’t plan on raising my children in sterile conditions. I’m sure if I did it would all go really well until it went terribly wrong when they encounter any number of environmental stressors.
I detect sarcasm, but I’m still gonna accept it at face value. The smartphone you’re typing on wasn’t made by a wizard…it was science.
@MantisTobogganMD how exactly is feeding your plants bird shit and used banana peels helping build a stronger gene pool? It isn’t Lamarckian, a clone doesn’t become better because you give it less food. Breeding isn’t related to nutrition. By your logic any human intervention is anathema. Go out and gather roots and berries if you want to.
