Second that, but if I have to choose, just as I would regarding food I’d eat, I would move towards organic. It all seems to come down to the same usage of nutrients by the plant, but I’d rather consume something which came from fields and old crops than from a lab somewhere… 
to agree with @corey, meaning coming from, originating from nature, and not the other way around! I’d argue that organic is indeed closer to us!
So there’s nothing else coming out of a microbes butt other than pure ionic NaCl?
I’m saying they don’t necessarily taste the same depending on what the mode of nutrient delivery is. There is a lot more going on in soil w raw materials than w the isolation and sterilization needed for successful hydro. Yes you can define them by the same chemical constituents, but they are not the same thing.
I agree w this to an extent, you bring up a good point about ripening and shipping. I don’t think it is the only thing going on tho. If you grew a tomato’s in your yard w some conventional fert, that’s closer to the local natural environment style that I am proposing grows the best food, than it is to a hydro tomato or a massive field of heavily sprayed organic CA tomato’s. I don’t care so much about “organic” i care about the potential benefits of systems that create a diverse and supportive ecosystem for growth.
I think making produce bigger, faster w concentrated nutrients impacts flavor. That’s not to say nothing tastes good grown w fertilizer. My parents have a farm and grow food conventionally. I think it’s great, but I do think natural inputs taste better. This opinion comes from eating a variety of sources done all different ways. I’m fortunate to be surrounded by small farms.
If they’re chemically not the same then they’re not the same… If you added all of the minerals and other trace elements that the pink salt has, then they’d be identical… The reason why commercial agg taste different is commerical agg is literally doing bare bones to grow a product to send to market… You’re agreeing with my hypothesis by attempting to dispute it, so I am confused… If you chemically analyze a specific soil, replicated it elementally, then crystalize it into a salt form so that when its broken down into its ionic form when added to a solvent such as water, then the solution is chelated and readily available, then there is literally no difference. As for what microbes produce after breaking something down, that depends on the organism and what its breaking down. The only variable I could see is what media the plant is growing in. I am ASSUMING that soil delivers these nutrients slower than say in hydroponic media. The only reason for that assumption is due to growth rates. I figure that some nutrients need to be broken down further for the plant to be able to consume them, which the microbes do. Whereas in hydro, its already done (not all form of free ions are created equal though). But with talking to some other organic soil growers, they’ve done side by sides of hydro to soil and are basically getting similar results. So there could be something else occurring.
That is pseudo-science and grossly incorrect. If I am understanding you correctly, you are basically saying that 1=/= 1. The ONLY way that statement is correct, is if you have a different counter ion or source of the major element.
Here is link to a really good conversation about soil growing. Prioritizing taking care of the soil and choosing inputs and amendments based on their own merit not their classification.
I am a scientist, a chemist actually, and that’s why I am saying what I am saying.
Again the difference is all of the additional stuff that OJ has in it which compliments the Vit C.
Ok, and all that additional stuff adds up to making it a different thing, does it not? So, while vitamin C can be synthesized, can you make fresh squeezed oj from synthesized vitamin C? I think there’s a difference.
The way I see it, hydro nutrients plus water are not exact replicas of soil and it’s nutrients as a whole; they are replicas of specific isolated elements, and as such are lacking in the diversity and complexity of say, compost.
In 2.5 months I’ll tell you. I have freakshow and crunch berry both that I just did in organic soil, and a clone of the same plants growing in hydro. I’m assuming the hydro will be denser, but we shall see.
This is a question I’ve had for years also. I like my organic soil, so it’ll have to be a drastic difference to change me.
Organic soil gg4x ogk
Bud, I’m not gonna keep restating what I keep saying in every post. This isn’t even circular logic… You are claiming again if you have an IDENTICAL thing, they’re not the same. That literally makes 0 sense, even if you don’t have the same scientific, chemical, biochemical, pharmacological, and pharmacodynamics understand as I do. Your argument is like saying if you clone a mother plant, you don’t have a mother plant anymore. It’s a clone, an exact copy. I don’t know how else to explain this to you.
Lol, ok man we can stop now.
For the record, I am claiming we don’t have the same things, they are not identical. The synthesized version of vitamin c mixed w water is not the same as a glass of fresh oj. The elemental vitamin c within each, yes I’m agreeing that those be the same thing.
Beautiful buds and plants!!! Congrats!
Why you hiding in the shadows w your baseless accusations @TheShowMeHomie?
Re:edit: I misunderstood this post my bad homie.
I never said all fertilizers are bad. My opinion is that a system that relies on diversity and biological activity for nutrition is better than a system that relies exclusively on synthesized salts and sterilization.
Since to me, “best” means the least amount of work, and the least amount of ching spent…for really good smoke, at this point, for me its miracle gro and Octopots. Less than 10 bucks spent every 2 grows on nutes, and its set it and forget it.
Real hard to beat.
“Better” in my definition of the word; includes such things as taste, quality, environmental impact, pathogenic immunity, hardiness, and long term sustainability.
What happens to a plant when root exudates are no longer necessary for growing. Is this good in the long term?
Is an egg that comes from a chicken that spends its entire life in a 2x2 cage, never to spread it wings, fed a diet of synthesized nutrition, and then killed as soon as it’s “usefulness” is deemed over, entirely the same as an egg from a chicken that is allowed to free-range, eat a variety of natural foods, fly around, fight, dance, and compete for survival?
Hydro makes big and fat, and weak and bland. No life, no competition, no feelings, just bigger and better to the typical western eye.
Edit: note: “weak” from an immunological sense, not a psychoactive one. I believe hydro to be just as capable of producing high ThC cannabis as soil is.
To each his/her own @MysteryMoog i hear that, seems practical and if it suits your fancy, all the better!
well i was referring to myself no one else hence the homie part
but i will say in the last 20 years you organic warriors sure have gotten more aggressive in your stance 
it used to be the hydro guys who where aggressive
im still waiting for anyone to do the pepsi challenge organic vs. hydro in 2021 may have been noticeable 20 years ago but i doubt you could tell today.
i do sincerely appreciate you using my favorite line to use on here though “Im no scientist” i often start my paragraphs on here with that
as far as hiding in the shadows sorry we never had any interactions before today normally a person with 5 pips would have at least been welcomed here by me by now but this place has been spiraling out last couple months
nevermind this seems to have been a waste of time this guy is just a dick trying to be a scientist then argues with an actual scientist trying to help 
and then edits everything multiple times i believe i know you on other forums 
Lol, appreciate the welcoming. Sorry you feel I’m being aggressive. Don’t misunderstand me, it’s all about love on here for me. It seemed your post was directed as a subtle dig. I don’t mind it, I just fire back. Maybe, I misunderstood, my sincere apologies if so.
I’m having fun w thread. I think you hydro folks got a little too used to the soil guys staying quiet, imho.
I do think that some molecular bonds are harder for the plant to make than others. In that regard I think your going to get more different chemicals being produced in an organic soil system than using salts in hydro, but they still only use 3 major nutrients and 13 minor. I’m not sure how much the plant cares that it gets them. But this might also be why it’s said organic has a better nose and broader range of terpenes, flavonoids, and phenols than hydro.
One of the reasons I have used Epsom salts for so long is I have read that magnesium and sulphur is an energy expensive bond for cannabis to make, so if you give it already bonded it can just put it to use. Extrapolating from this, there must be other expensive or hard to make bonds, put that work onto microbes and the plant thrives.
I’ve grown both ways and don’t agree that plants only exchange on a chemical level.
Try this for yourself, plant a single bean seed in a mason jar or other clear container of only compost then a few weeks later ask yourself where did all the compost go?
