Salts for me , I prefer full control , no guessing , plants get what they want and when they want it : ) taste comes from how well it was growen and cured : )
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I believe this is the drying/curing process. Iâve had it too.
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Salts all day for me. Why would I want to pay more and do more work? I donât believe that organic tastes better. Most of the people that say this IMO are biased. At the end of the day the plants are taking up the exact same ions. Where they come from is kinda irrelevant to the plant. The grower, not so much. Just because organic might be more forgiving than salts (water only, no Ph meter etc) doesnât mean that it produces better weed/produce.
Organic vs salts is more politics than growing IMO. More for the people than the plants as @vernal once said (I think). Grow with whatever method you want thereâs more than one way to get to great weed Personally I am trying to grow the best weed possible with the least amount of money(good weed is super cheap here).
I like that I can tweak and know exactly what is in my nutrient solutions down to the PPM. Plant nutrition can vary from strain to strain and even pheno to pheno so I will try to avoid a 1 shoe fits all type situation (especially if it is more money and effort).
Iâm also pretty confident that no one in a blind taste test would be able to tell the difference between great organic weed and great salt grown weed.
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Placebo is the main ingredient of organics lol
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Whatâs your average cost to grow a plant over the cycle of its life?
With gaia green nutrients I worked it down to cost about 1.50 (cdn) of nutrients to feed a plant its entire grow and its all mixed in at the beginning so that I do less work over all as I never need to mix any nutes in water or check my ec or ph.
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I use bottles nutes and it costs about $4 a plant. Give or take. I buy mine in bulk.
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Maybe if youâre comparing fermented kitchen scraps to Advanced Nutrients full line retail pricing, sure.
Most fertilizer salts are a few dollars a pound. Far cheaper than most organic âinputsâ. Last time I bought a 5lb bag of KNO3 it was $14. Thatâll last years. There isnât enough âorganic inputsâ in the world to feed everyone.
Fertilizer cost is less than swapping out bulbs, power bill, substrate, rockwool cubes, carbon filter replacement. Itâs the least of my expenses.
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I was reading somewhere (I canât remember where) that synthetic nitrogen fertilizer is one of the greatest inventions of all time because without it we wouldnât be able to sustain such a large population. So I think youâre right about that.
It might have been that article about freak nitrogen fixing corn.
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100% on that.
Iâm sure weâll figure out how to make all crops N-fixing eventuallyâŚbut then crunchy people will cry about genetically modified organisms lol.
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Itâs all about the growerâs/Farmerâs skill and knowledge of the system they is usingâŚ
Iâve had crap organics and good hydro and vise versa⌠The rest boils down to individually held beliefs or just what system clicks with the individualâŚ
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Deffinetly. I never see an end to the old organic vs chemical debate. Myswell end it here before more arguments.
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I think salts won this round lol
: )
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Yep, if your hydro grown weed tastes like chemicals, you did it wrong. If your soil grown herb comes out like bap, you did it wrong. It really is that simple.
Hydro isnât just set your ppms to an arbitrary # and call it a day; In the same vein you canât just grab any dirt or a random mix of amendments, and generally have good results. Most plants would prefer what they individually want and not some generic mix.
Youâre gonna be better growing one way than the other and thatâs on you and your skill and understanding of your medium and the plant.
The herb coming out worse one way than the other, is 100% on you. Not the fertilizers, not the plant, not the medium. Solely on you.
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Iâd like you to prove the claim that organic tastes better. Itâs more of a placebo effect than anything else. I gave clones too an organic grower friend and mine tastes the exact same as his except mine is stronger and more frost covered.
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I donât see where you get synthetic is more expensive. I spend $120 for 3 runs getting 2lb a run. Can you get over 2 lb in 16sqft for $40 with organics? Didnât think so
Iâm not confused in the slightest. Perhaps youâd like to draw a cartoon about it.
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coming right up! Iâm laughing already at the idea!
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IMO pick something and learn it. Doesnât matter what. Environmental impact is negligible, since a few plants outside is nothing in comparison to the massive acreage of outdoor farms. For container gardening outdoors, it also doesnât make sense as an argument. For indoor growing, mixing organics indoors can have adverse effects of breathing dirty slaughterhouse byproducts and dusts from animal feces.
The biggest advantage of organic gardening is that to some extent, youâre letting the plant grow itself. Let me tell you, itâs damn near impossible to grow an equatorial landrace sativa and a modern hybrid off the same salt reservoir, while it is probably very possible to run them off of the same organic soil mix if a person knows what theyâre doing.
Salts offer a very efficient and specific method of delivery. However plants have no ability to regulate the intake of specific nutrients. Itâs a blessing and a curse, as it can require more technical knowledge, especially if you enjoy growing a wide variety of cultivars. It generally takes me a few grows to learn the specific nutrient requirements of any new landrace genetics I grow.
Edit: I would only add that in my opinion, there is no âbestâ for all people, environments, cultivars and methodologies of growing. There is only a best option within a very specific definition of how you grow, what you grow and what kind of things are important to you. For every person that claims X is better than Y, I could come up with dozens of examples where Y would be better than X. But in the end, no method is better than the one that you have the best understanding of. So pick the one that seems to fit your specific needs the best and become proficient at it.
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Iâm really sorry but my camera is toast. Youâll have to settle for this garbage sketch I cranked out. On the other hand, itâs hilarious!
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Was that an actual question because it seems like you answered it for me. If thatâs what works for you then keep running it but I think your confused to what true organics is.
Yes if you go to a grow store and buy organic made products it will cost you more but thatâs not the true essence of regenerative farming. Itâs about using your land and local area to make inputs which are rich in biodiversity and microbial life⌠not bugs in a jug! Proper composting, worm bins, cover crops, leaf mold, fire pits, waste from fruit trees, ferments etc⌠I am lucky to have free range horses and cows roaming my area but if you do not a small chicken pen will give you all the manure you need. Local fish, rock dust, lime stone is all accessible at pennies on the dollar and a one time prep of FAA(fish amino acid) will give you years of nitrogen and amino benefits for next to nothing especially if you fish yourself.
The focus on solely NPK in either organic or synthetic practices is thankfully getting phased out and more trust in nature and emulating the process is coming in to play.
All the use of synthetic nitrates is a byproduct of world War 2 and what was left over from the materials used for making explosives was then turned in to fertilizers and pesticides. So prior to that there was no âorganicâ or synthetic farming there was just natural farming using natural inputs.
On the topic of fruit and veg or naturally raised livestock, Iâve been a chef for 25 years and you can say thereâs no difference in taste if you like which I firmly believe is not true but the proof is in the nutritional brake down of the finished product and the stuff we eat that comes from depleted soils is lacking in serious nutrition and vitamins.
This is now being shown with testing of cannabanoids and that naturally grown cannabis has a fuller complexity of terpenes and flavanoids. To me this is way more important than bag appeal or pushing solely for numbers in the 30% THC range, especially if you are using it as a medicine.
I hear a lot of commercial growers and breeders who run big set ups say on podcasts that while their operation is run on salts they grow organically at home for their own personal smoke because the product is far more superior⌠this is their words not mine. Pretty sure it was the Chili Verde which won the emerald cup a few years back that was grown all naturally so thatâs a good sign of things to come. 
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