I feel that natural chelators are one of the most important part of an organic regime. Using humates, acetates, fumarates, citrates, etc. vs one like EDTA.
EDTA is arguably organic, but also an environmental pollutant. Organics aren’t perfect.
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Common consensus seems to be, learn what works best for you.
With me, it’s always a circle. I start in dirt, then get jealous of explosive hydro growth pics on the internet.
I tell myself I already know organic tastes better from past experience, but I hear folks telling me I’m doing hydro wrong, because there’s no difference.
So I try hydro again, get the feel of it, grow big beautiful plants that just don’t smoke as nice in the end.
I’m there considering running hydro again, wondering if I should try a different line of nutrients…
$35 a quart is steep, but hydro pros say that they have great success with the cheaper nutrients, no difference in taste.
Makes me scratch my head, while I add scraps to the compost pile-
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With taste being subjective this debate will go on for ever. Especially with so many factors at play. Which nute line was used, what quantities, what temps, what RH etc. So many factors outside of nutes make a plant great or can ruin it. If you did a massive experiment with clones running in multiple specific environments and than had 2 people do a taste test you could still end up with 2 different opinions as taste is an individual thing. In the end I just feel it’s dealers choice. I don’t think either one is right or wrong, they just are and both work. There are many trails leading to the watering hole, happy growing no matter how you do it 
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Well said @DougDawson but my question is this watering hole you speak of do you prefer it to be clean or not? I feel we have more of a responsibility to control not just what goes in to our bodies but what we are also leaving behind… that’s my 2 cents anyway I’ll leave it at that 
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Well, I grow outdoors so I prefer organic. Better for the environment. However, if I were growing indoors under lights I would use a hydro potting mix and chemicals for faster and bigger buds in the shorter time the plants are growing. I have experimented outdoors with both organic soil container plants and a hydro potting mix with chemical nutes. My organic perennial plants thrived more the second year and my annuals with chemical ferts were bigger and had more blooms the first year. Outdoors, cannabis has a longer grow time even being an annual, so the organic soil has plenty of time to work its magic aka 6 months. In the 4 months or so indoors, I honestly think you will get bigger yields and consistency per grow when controlling every element that your plants are subject to so I would go chems all the way.
Any plant directly in the ground, seems to benefit more from organic soil.
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I’m more focused on people who grow weed with no flavor. Where does it all go wrong? That should be an easier question to answer. I shipped clones of a plant I grew to someone who grows weed with no flavor to see if he can suck the life out of that plant as well.
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That’s due to not enough cal/mag. Calcium gives “fruit” the flavor
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hey I’m loving that suggestion! Great tip! I need all the ideas I can muster.
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Some genetics are just shit though and some strains are fairly quiet in taste by nature. If you’ve ever smoked White Widow, umm its pretty much like the water of bud flavor. Awesome high, lackluster in smell and taste. Same with Blue Dream for example
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That is a good question, defiantly clean. Now I use salt based nutes but do so inside. I am planning a run outside my cottage this year so will be moving to soil instead of my traditional coco. I opened a thread inquiring about soil so I could make the switch. I will be looking at more organic feeding in this case since I have a duty to keep the land good. That said my little 4 plant garden even if using salt based nutes is not likely to do any damage with such a small scale grow. We all need to be responsible to this land we live on and even the best of things cause damage. Look at farming and cattle grazing. Those 2 practices have been known to contaminate said watering hole. Take a look at this article that talks about how fertilizer and manure can contaminate our drinking water. I am betting they are not using salt based nutes.
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Even my tap water causes salts in my garden. Even organic isn’t foolproof as far as the environment goes
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the question is what do you feed when you consume …
if you buy weapons, the gun industry will produce more and there will always be war, because the weapons have an expiration date and need to be used.
If you buy poison, the industry will produce more, it has no effect, the industry creates another, or increases its concentration …
Now with transgenics, the only thing that belonged to everyone, the seeds, were also appropriated …
we are digging in this pit, this is my opinion, so I follow the concepts of Agroecology …
I don’t do and I don’t encourage what I don’t want for myself.
I know that if we look closely, nothing on the planet is fully organic, I just guarantee that what I do, consumption or incentive, does not harm anyone, even if I am not seeing it.
Edit: I just want to say that we can change the world, without weapons and without conflicts, just consume and use natural resources wisely.
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I hope you drive an electric car, don’t fly or travel on boats then. lol It’s tricky to be green
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Id be curious to do a side-by-side of clones grown in 100% organic soil vs hydro and see if there is any measurable difference. Use an Olfactometer as well as a GC-MS (maybe LC) to detect if there are any differences in terpenes and their abundance as well. I think that would be a good start to truly pinpoint if there are differences between the two growing methods or if some placebo effects come into play.
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I think it would vary by whether this was done outside or under lights. The sun will express terpenes that lights wont.
I agree with this. There are some photochemical reactions that occur at different wavelengths that artificial lights don’t produce and therefore cant occur. I think it also has to do with different combinations and percentages of said wavelengths that produce those reactions and result in certain terpenes.
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whoever listens to this thinks that the guy is a model, like everyone else, I also have defects and a lot to improve …
I would just like to put another point of view on this debate … There are many truths, I like to know them all and choose my own. I believe that the more points of view we read, the more we develop …
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lol what Carlos Mencia is funnier than this
Have you ever tried a cocopeat mixture? If I ever went back to organics, that’d be the first thing I’d try. I’ve wanted to try that for years, but I only grow inside now and it’s much easier for me to use hydro.
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Have you seen this work successfully? I would assume these would need to be mixed with other soil elements as well. Liquid organic nutes are hard to find, especially good ones.
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