Chemical, or Organic. What's really the best?

It would be a little tricky to pull off. Coco holds a lot more air than peat, so roots can grow more densely in the media. But that gives you less volume for dry amendments as well. So I think you’re right that liquid nutrients would be required. I’m not sure if you could keep up with it just top dressing, but it’s possible. Fish emulsion or better yet fish and shit would might be a necessity. And potassium sulfate? Is that allowed? :joy:

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Is it true that peat causes a slight acidity issue when growing in it? I read somewhere (I cant find it for the life of me) that after you water coco, it also starts to acidify slowly so you can get some wild pH fluctuations if you dont constantly water/feed it.

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The organic potting soil I use has coco in it. It’s great for drainage. You would def need some lime or something to keep the ph down. I suppose you could constantly make batches of compost teas, guano teas, banana peel teas etc… but what a PITA lol

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I was always under the interpretation that lime is alkaline in nature?

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This is the most vile concoction ever conceived. Plants love it.

Amend some lime to the medium and add the right amount of soluble kelp to your liquid and you probably have a pretty decent liquid feed.

Could work. :man_shrugging:

I don’t think 100% coco would work well with organics, but something like coco/peat/perlite in equal amounts, I’ve always though would be nice. Roots love coco, and it helps resist compaction too. In my experience, plants do grow faster in coco than peat.

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I think that’s right

Limestone is an alkaline agent with the ability to neutralize, or partially neutralize strong acids. The neutralization process occurs when strong acids, in intimate contact with limestone chips, react with Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3, the primary constituent of limestone) to form water, carbon dioxide, and calcium salts.

I’ve always read that it’s good for stabilizing the pH, so if there were pH swings, it should help buffer.

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Bat guano. The good shit.

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Yes. In the words of Willy Wonka… Strike that. Reverse it. To keep the ph up from the peat moss lowering it.

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I use coffee grounds and elemental sulfur on the organic blueberries. Knock the ph down to 4.5, since the ground is 6.8. I’ve never seen anyone use coffee to grow cannabis plants though.

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I use used coffee powder around the plants to repel ants, if it rains it should be applied again.
I also use leftover liquid coffee to spray, 1:50 …

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No, I grew on straight coco.

I use bagged soil that has peat…

I’m planning on following a friend’s advice and trying 50-50 coco perlite if I try hydro again.

He uses jacks dry nutrients, says they are cheap, work great and easy to use.

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I recently read to sub coco for perlite for drainage in organics as well as perlite doesn’t break down completely. Coconut fiber is just better for the soil and environment.

I’m not a huge hippie or anything, but I try where I can.

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Haha! I feed my plants some pretty vile stuff! The only thing I can’t handle the smell of is Neem. It smells like rotten Indian food farts. Even writing this down made me throw up in my mouth a little.

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I’ve tried both types of fertilizers in soil both indoors and outdoors.
I grow for myself, but have shared a bit with friends in need.
I have a hard time telling the difference if i flush properly at the end.
Mostly use Jacks, Schultz or Miracle Grow and add cal mag…
I try to not overdo it on amounts, let the plants just go.
I usually have great results, both flavor and effects are similar to me.
This a great topic and lots of different ways to grow. :peace_symbol:

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I saw a while back on the future cannabis youtube channel, there was a group chatting about soil / organics stuff and some people mentioned that a few commercial grow ops where switching to organics for their extracts. Seemed that the organics where getting better numbers in the lab as far as terpenes go. They said they were switching to get numbers on paper not that they felt there was any major difference in their product. This was for outdoors / greenhouse grow though.

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I am a soil grower who basically keeps it organic… It’s actually easier than people think once the stuff is established… But as much as I hate to say it, i’ve seen people who are total noobs grow using the cheapeat synthetic nutes and just miracle grow, and have AMAZING plants. Like, really really good. I still say organic tastes and burns better, but overall, i’d have to say chemicals win… Just because they are really easy, really cheap, and really can work great if you don’t overdo it.

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I think we can all agree its about personal preference, grower skill, and genetics.

Some people prefer a “set it and forget it” organic system, others strive for absolute control over the nutrients.

I’ve grown what I call “nope”, dope that doesn’t get you high, in both salts and organic systems. Shit happens, Sometimes you miss the mark.

That crappy, untested, multi-poly-hybrid plant isn’t going to grow well in either.

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I did not have time to read every response so if I am repeating someone else, I did not know.

I look at cannabis like wine. I do this with everything I grow that will be consumed. Growing in synthetic nutrients gives you a “straight expression of the terps”. You get what the plant has available genetically and nothing more. Like a grape grown with salt nutrients. The soil adds flavor and complexity like wine.

This is my “bro science” on the matter.

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ok I think I sorted through all the info and I’ve got this:
sickly plants grow shitty weed.
improper harvest and treatment makes shitty weed.
crappy genetics makes crappy weed.
Any more ideas?

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