Doc D Chocolate Blitz; Freeborn Yesca x Jaro f3; Relic/Professor P/Dynasty Grapefruit f3; and (1) Bodhi Hasplant D

Sounds like the Chocolate Thai is coming through nicely :wink: the qualities you’re talking about are the same qualities I look for in any haze or sativa leaning line or cross.

Unlike this:

Which has no business having “haze” in the name at all imo. Real Haze is none of those things. Nada. Zero.

It’s like that lavender jack cut, maybe you, but for sure some others have been trying lately. Idk about you but when I look for jack, be it a cross or otherwise, I’m not looking for something that puts me to sleep or relaxes me or puts me in the couch or gives me the munchies. I’m looking for some soaring or blissful/euphoric sativa leaning high. Jack is nl5haze x skunkhaze. I get bodhi named the line lavender jack, but that cut should be called lavender herer or something instead. If I was selecting a plant from that line, I’d be looking for the most jack leaning high I could find, with some of the lavender flavor from the wookie. But maybe that’s just me… :eyes: /end rant my bad :sweat_smile:

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Those were great reports. Thoughtful and well written…coherent, even! I’ll probably never grow either, but some of your descriptions are something I’ve been aware of in other weed, and I couldn’t put a finger on it… like, ohhh yeah! :slight_smile:

The smoke sounds wonderful, too :yum:

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I said something similar to Nobody after trying his cut of Jack, the BH7, BHix3 #2 (green hornet) & #3 (Early purps) & Church, SSH #10, and lavender jack. I told him,

“I sampled the BHix3 purple & green phenos, the Jack, Church (both organic & coco), and BH7, and so far the best for me is the BH7, with Jack a distant ways behind. But honestly, all of them have a bit of a hybrid effect. None were as energetic as I expected, and they all had a bit of a body buzz I didn’t think would be in there.

He replied by saying,

“All of the above ARE hybrids. It’s all NL5 haze stuff. Which is not necessarily the most speedy shit out there. Just saying. I hope I wasn’t pushing the idea that it’s super racy…I would say nl5 haze is more cerebral and mental then modern weed but not like some pure sativas in terms of giving you the jitters. It’s all grounded into a nl5 haze body effect to some degree…I think you have an expectation that nl5 haze or dutch haze hybrids should feel like a sativa. But what I am saying is that they are more of a full spectrum hybrids. To someone who smokes cookies and kush all day they may seem like a sativa.

The bolded parts above helped me calibrate my expectations vs. the reaction to these cuts from most smokers. Most people will think they are speedy and soaring and euphoric…unless those people have had pure sativas.

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Yeah nl5haze is a hybrid but the best ones still aren’t like what has been selected for out of those lines imo. Nevil’s whole goal was a shorter flowering(12-14 week) haze plant with only the resin and density coming from the NL5 along with a little bit of body to it. The good ones ARE racy af. Think it’s laced. Almost pure haze plants. My C5SensiStar girl has very little body to it and a lot of soaring high to her with the laser focus and clean come down.

It seems to me that what’s been selected for out of these lines, like the bandaid, are the most NL leaning plants in the bunch. But still with the long flower times… just disappoints me for what could be, I guess. Doesn’t mean it’s not good weed. Just not what I look for in crosses with these names.

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I think you’re being a little too rigid in your definition of Hazes or “what Hazes are supposed to be.” And I only say that because I’ve read plenty about certain “real” Hazes being “trippy” and almost “psychedelic”; I’ve tripped my balls off on mushrooms plenty of times, walls melting, patterns everywhere, everything’s vibrating, but my body felt completely relaxed and my mind felt totally at ease. Super-fun.

The BAH’s I grew had that same thing going, to a (much) lesser degree. Although I bet if I’d have smoked enough of it, it woulda been like,”Wahwahwahwah…” haha.

From what I’ve read, certain types of Hazes smoke differently. Some have a really clear and clean high and some have a more psychedelic high. I’m fine with both haha.

Even though I didn’t describe it as such, I think that’s an accurate description of the BAH’s I grew. Blissful, especially. I don’t think “munchies” and being “blissed out” are mutually exclusive sorts of highs, nor do I think that just because I feel relaxed and chill as fuck, that doesn’t mean I’m not soaring high.

I haven’t tried that one yet, but I do have a sample. I’ve been waiting on a buddy of mine to come over and sample that one, but he keeps coming up with reasons not to come over (I think he might be clinically depressed haha), so I’ve since given up on him. I’ll get into that one soon enough.

There’s a huge difference between all of the things you mentioned there. The munchies are not exclusive to “Indicas.” Feeling relaxed isn’t, either.

I’ve said this many times over the years, but if you watch any of those old movies, Cheech and Chong shit or Poltergeist (which is my personal-favorite weed-smoking scene) or any of the other shit from the 70’s and early 80’s, all of those scenes were being written by people who were blazing imported weed, the majority of which came from Mexico and Central/South America; in other words: “Sativas.” And they’d always depict the characters as being goofy and hungry and laughing their asses off and whatever all else.

Like I said, you’re being too rigid in your thinking. Or maybe you’re just looking for something specific, I dunno. To say that a Haze that makes you feel relaxed and hungry isn’t a “real Haze” is, to me, a little… I dunno. Too rigid, I guess haha.

But that’s how Jack affects YOU. I never smoked any Jack that made me all “racy” and “up” and “tweaker-ish.” It wasn’t a sleepy high, but it wasn’t all crazy “up,” either. It was good, sociable, friendly weed.

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Fair enough. I am looking for specific things in there and that IS a big part of my rigidity on these things. Trippy/psychedelic is one side of haze, sure. soaring is the other imo. But all those things I or you mentioned that I find to be the antithesis of haze, are literally not a single thing I would say in a description of any haze ive ever had that I would agree should be called haze. Those traits mentioned are all traits I’ve found in indica leaning hybrids.

At no point would I smoke anything I consider haze in order to have a “really Stony high” or “fun” or “laid back” high or anything of that sort.

I go for a haze when I want to get stuff done and be motivated to do it. To have soaring euphoric high that makes me feel great and active. To saturate my vision. Etc.

I don’t consider jack tweaker-ish or racy either. But that golden colored jack I used to get 20 years ago was soaring and never gave me the munchies or did anything that I’d consider relaxing…

Edit: sorry to rant all over your thread bro :confused:

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Aren’t all of those cuts NobodysNursery’s selections of plants grown from the original seed line? Or at least some of them? So really, they’re not indicative of the seed line at all, right? They’re just the ones that Nobody selected, for whatever reason (probably yields?).

Or maybe they said that because that’s what they thought they were “supposed” to say. “Hey! This one is a Sativa! I know that because Nobody told me it was! Therefore, I don’t even need to really THINK about how it actually smokes! It’s a ‘Sativa’! And all Sativas smoke super-up and ‘speedy’! Right???”

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Nothing quite like a quality haze discussion! Awesome review as always.

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Now I’m like,”Oh, shit… Maybe I shouldn’t have planted that Franco’s Lemon Cheese/Haze cross of Holy’s after all…” haha. Just kidding. I’m stoked about those.

Honestly, though, I really do subscribe to the whole,”Everybody’s cannabinoid receptors are different!” thing. I’ve also said this many times, but all of the sorta NLD stuff I’ve grown/smoked affects me so much differently (in a good way) than it seems to affect everybody else. That’s what I like. That’s what makes me feel really good and fine. The BLD/shorter-flowering stuff doesn’t, usually.

Right. But I will say that almost all of the NLD/longer-flowering stuff I’ve grown smokes like that for me, whether or not they’ve been “Haze” hybrids, whereas the BLD/short-squat/etc etc plants almost always make me feel extremely uncomfortable for the first 30 minutes or so. “Everybody’s cannabinoid receptors are different!” haha… That’s why, for this round, I just decided,”Fuck it: I’m planting a bunch of what I expect to be NLD-type shit.”

I understand haha. And I’m not calling anything I’ve grown “Haze,” either. But the breeders are. It’s not my call to make; I’m just relaying the information.

Pssshhhh… Please, bro. Gimme a break haha. Like I don’t love it when y’all say what you’re thinking… That’s what we’re here for.

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How come? I mean, if you have access to either, you should grow at least one of them haha. They’re pretty dang good.

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Yeah, some of them are. I only use them as an example of what’s being billed as “sativas” by a lot of people. I can’t say I’ve smoked a lot of hazes and I’m not going to larp all over this forum saying I have, but I’ve definitely grown and smoked supremely psychedelic weed and also extra energetic weed. None of those cuts I mentioned give me very psychedelic or energetic effects. Maybe a little bit at first when you’ve been smoking more indica-leaning stuff, but definitely not once I really start assessing them. Probably the SSH#10 is the most UP for me.

And then there’s also the problem of our differing endocannabinoid systems. What one person views as super couchlock, another might think is a hybrid or even more energizing, and vice versa. And now I see you just wrote the same thing. lol :smile:

I wonder if anyone’s reviews of weed are generalizable to anyone else? I still think it’s cool to read descriptions and drool over pics, but it’s rare for me to agree 100% when I smoke the same weed or grow the same strain. Often I have a completely different review.

But you also bring up the really good point of:

Consciously or not, I do think there’s some of this going on. No judgments - it’s human nature - just saying that people are incentivized to go along to get along. Especially when they’re buying stuff after reading rave reviews. I feel like I do the opposite - I’m incentivized to tell you when my experience is NOT what I expected based on reviews.

I happen to have a few extra NLD-type cuts rooting. Are you ready for them?

:peace_symbol:

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They’ll be right up your alley for sure ^^

I feel this but reading your reviews has me thinking ours are pretty similar :joy:

I do get this too. The maple leaf x mazar-i-shariff freaks me the F out ! its not even that potent but it gets me in my head in a bad way. But the NLD’s and hazes make me feel really good and fine too. I still wouldn’t call the really sativa one’s, relaxing :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

and I think that’s really the point of my ranting. I see it and then read the descriptions and… i just hear ‘false advertisement’ by the breeders naming the line something it shouldn’t be for what “most”( i would think) would consider that type to be given said name. I get some of these things are classics and the name was already there 20+ years ago, they’re just continuing the naming scheme but again, If I’m going out to buy some seeds with haze or jack or kush in the name, i’m looking for and expecting to find, plants with haze or jack or kush like effects. If it no longer has that, the name should be changed. Otherwise it’s feeding into an image, or a possible narrative, that the cultivars are not what they actually are or should be…

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PSA: Also, just so it’s clear, I’m not bagging on anyone’s opinion or their cuts or their grow style/skill/tek or talking any shit or trying to say I’m better in any way. I have to mention this because, when giving some honest feedback on Discord to someone else, they got super uptight and defensive, and I’m hoping to avoid that kind of blowback with this disclaimer. I’m not walking back anything I’ve said, but I am clarifying that I’m not criticizing you (whoever you are reading this) or anything associated with you.

:sun_with_face:

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I’m also not trying to rag on anyone or talk trash about any thing. I just have some feels on these plants with names and why they, and/or should, have the names they do.

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Ha, I didn’t mean I wouldn’t grow them because I don’t want to, I do, they sound better than good. I just probably won’t ever get around to them with all the other stuff I already have that I want to grow. I just had to get a bigger vault, but more time is what I really need!

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more time and a big field or greenhouse :grin:

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A warehouse and another 40 years! I hear that!

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Right. Same here. I don’t know what that BAH 7 is “supposed” to smoke like, I really don’t know anything about it (Nobody randomly sent me an invite to his discord a while back, but I declined, just because I can’t get into discord at all), but I do know that it was a super-spacey high and not at all like the ones that I grew.

Good to know. That’s the sample I was planning on getting into next (sorry, Holy haha, but I promise that I WILL try the Church soon), been waiting on my buddy to swing by to get into that one because he’s a big fan of SSH, but I’m not waiting around for him any longer. If a bunch of free samples of the weed I just grew plus a little smoke fest of the stuff that was sent to me isn’t enough to motivate him to swing by, fuck him haha.

Yeah, I get that.

Right. I said that a couple years ago, actually, think it was in that “Addicted to Haze” thread (before it got totally stupid and I had to quit following it haha), that I thought that most “Haze” strains these days are called that if they have just the slightest bit of Haze in the genetics and they flower longer than like ten weeks, even if the high isn’t “Hazy” at all. I dunno if that’s intentional false advertising on the breeder’s part or not, though.

I knoooooowwwwww… That’s kind of why I’ve been thinking lately about thinning out my collection. I looked at my list the other day, though, and was like,”But I wanna grow it all…” haha. There’s very, very few packs in the fridge that I feel like I could part with. I did just trade a pack of Lucky Dog’s Chem D cross for that Oaxacan x 88G13HP, but that was only because I had two packs of it haha.

And yes, I did trade a $160 pack of seeds for a fucking freebie haha…

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Dang, I’d be 116… that should give me enough time to come up with a self-watering system :slight_smile:

Hope you grow that one soon. I got a pack, and want to hear your description, lol! In '72, Oaxacan was one of the first non-brick weeds I toked :yum:

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Definitely check out the new Potcast episode with Yo Sammy, he talks a lot about the A5/C5 hazes and his opinion of where the Bandaid Haze 7 fits in there.

I think a lot of times the names just get attached from previous cultivars or parents, I’ve stopped trying to predict how things will treat me from the name alone.

Nice write up as always bro, excited to read the next one!

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