Ya know, I’d never really thought about that. I have issues with every plant, but way less with B’s… even F2’s… I think he understands me, lol!
Still looks like you’ve got some good stuff going. And your it is whut it is comment put this in my head, and now I can’t get it out. Thanks a bunch, lol!
The only plant I’ve scraped against the front of the tent while bringing her out (so far) has been the Yesca x Jaro #3, the tall one. And she actually looks okay, haven’t noticed any brown pistils on her yet. It’s some of the others that I’m worried about.
Yeah, that’s the thing, those nanners looked like they’d maybe just begun, so I don’t really know haha. I’ve had plants where the pistils started withering much earlier than I expected and didn’t find any seeds, so it’s possible nothing got pollinated. I doubt it haha, but it’s possible. In any event, I’m not taking any chances. If I woulda found one or two bananas or if I woulda found them during, like, week ten or something, maybe I woulda left that Chocolate Blitz in the tent, but there were too many too early for me to feel comfortable. I don’t wanna be plucking for the next seven or eight weeks. Or even the next two weeks haha.
Has it really been 104 days already? I feel like you just flipped that like six weeks ago…
I’ve read that they are, but I think that that’s more like “pure” Thai stuff, haven’t heard too much about Doc’s A5Thai male having known herm issues or anything, with the exception of the Sour Diesel cross. I’ve seen two grow reports of that SD x A5T producing sterile nanners near the end of flowering, haven’t heard the same for any of the other A5T hybrids. I also haven’t read too much about his gear besides what people post on his thread here on OG. Maybe I’ll look into that a little bit more.
Yeah it’s too soon, motherfucker!!! Haha, just kidding, I’m over it. Chopped her earlier this afternoon and threw her in the green bin. And I enjoyed every second of it haha…
I agree. I was already planning on planting some more of those Zap seeds next round; last time I planted them all five turned out male, so… I may plant something else of his next round, too, maybe the Mountain Temples or the Pure Land Hashplant or something, I dunno. His gear is definitely usually very easy and issue-free. Between the fucked-up Grapefruit plant and the Chocolate Blitz throwing nanners, I want the next grow to be as simple and productive as possible.
Wiki? Are you serious? I’m not giving those away, I’m selling them, baby! Five-hundred for a pack of six! Keep your eyes peeled for the latest Minitiger Gardens release, coming soon to a seed bank near you! And don’t forget to check my insta feed!
I mean, yeah… I really did only grow Bodhi’s seeds for the first three or four years and I had zero issues with his plants. Nothing hermed, no PM or pests (except fungus gnats, which has nothing to do with his gear), no problems at all.
I remember my very first grow, after having read and read and read and read and then reading some more, I was like,”I wanna grow those Gold Star f4’s,” and seeing people post shit like,”It’s a Malawi Gold hybrid, ‘expert-only’-type plants!’” And I was just like,”Whatever. That’s what I wanna smoke, so that’s what I’m gonna plant.” And they were totally easy.
His shit’s always easy.
LOL @ 500 a pack of herm seeds… who do you think you are seed junky?
i offer 150 firm! take it or leave it!
on the real tho the only picture you missed was the beheading of that she bitch! the tv show highlander esq beheading! sorry to hear man
Eh… Why would I take a picture of that? It’s bad enough that I had to chop her in the first place; I don’t wanna memorialize it on this thread. Or any thread haha.
Yeah thats why I stopped taking pics of the moldy flowers I had, or the spider mites.
Skeeving people out… and myself too 
Yeah, those moldy flowers were fucking gnarly-looking.
Just wanted to make a quick note here: I found an open sac on one of the lowers on the Yesca x Jaro #5 (the shorter one) this morning. And I just examined everything yesterday when I was watering, didn’t notice anything, even busted out the flashlight so I could reeeealllyyyy get a good look into the plants. I looked for more today when I noticed (and removed) the branch that the sac was on, didn’t see any, but that obviously means nothing. Clearly, I’m fucking blind.
I’ve gotta water tomorrow, think I’m gonna sit in the tent for a while with the lights off while all of the plants are sitting outside of it and check for leaks. Although I’m kinda like,”What’s the point now?” haha. But I’m still gonna do it.
I’m also kind of like,”What’s the fucking deal with those meangene plants?” Usually the ones that have a possibility of herming come with that “outdoor only” disclaimer, but I didn’t read anything about that Yesca x Jaro cross being one of those. I found sacs on the Sky Cuddler #3 f3 back when I grew that, too, but luckily I noticed and removed them before they opened up. The Yesca cross is growing so straight-up and into themselves, though, different than the Sky Cuddler, that it makes it difficult to really get in there and check everything.
Anyway, yeah, I’m starting to get a little fucking irritated with this grow…
Man that sucks. Herms in both lines?
Oh look
Doesn’t he breed for outdoors? I always assumed there’s a certain tolerance for nanners outdoors so that may be something to consider as well.
Looks like it.
I mean, he seems genuine and pretty engaged or whatever. At least he still writes detailed descriptions of his crosses, the sources, the history etc etc. And I appreciate that. Plus, like I said, he’ll usually mention that,”This one is recommended for outdoors only,” or whatever.
I’ve seen Bodhi (and probably other breeders, too, but I don’t really pay attention to them) mention that same “outdoor only” thing and it never made any sense to me. Why would something have a proclivity for herming indoors, but not outdoors?
What am I looking at there? Is “Morgan le Fey” meangene’s handle on speakeasy? Or is that just some random dude saying,”That’s what I heard,”?
In any event, yeah, that seems silly. And I’m definitely not over/underwatering or adding high levels of nitrogen anyway. Although now I’m thinking,”Maybe I shouldn’t have watered with that neem/kelp tea the other day…” haha!!! But even if “adding too much stuff” was a cause of sacs, that neem/kelp tea was “half-strength”: 1/2 cup neem, 1/4 cup kelp; Coot/grasscity/organic threads recommend twice that, so…
Again, though, what does that even mean?
That Yesca x Jaro that higherthought reviewed on his page was grown outdoors, so maybe there’s something to that, but, like I said, it makes no sense.
The impression I got listening to his potcast interview was that he does his breeding outdoors and refreshes his stock based on his favorite selections from the previous year. I didn’t get the impression that any of the genetics are heavily tested in indoor environments for stability, though I may be wrong. I know that I’ve read that some strains seem to freak out when brought indoors under artificial lights. I don’t know what his guidelines for listing things outdoor only are, if its when he sees intersex traits, expects them based on genetics or what.
Also another component to Outdoor Only probably has to do with not ruining / seeding a whole room full of stuff. I’m not an outdoor grower but I’d have to guess pollen blows away rather than circulates in a tent until it finds a pistil.
Yeah Morgan was relaying meangenes answers as to the grower staying that he found herms.
I don’t think you caused them. I think him stating “high nitrogen, and over/under water” as reasons for herms is disingenuous.
If he indeed breeds solely outdoors I retract my previous meme but otherwise stand by it.
What? Overwatering, under watering, over feeding, and so on aren’t stressors that add to cumulative stress on a plant and cause intersex traits? Also, indoor isn’t more stressful to the plants than the natural environment of outside?
Right. I’ve never listened to his podcasts, but I do know that he does his growing outdoors. Regardless, though, what difference would that make? I’m fairly certain that just because something was grown outdoors, that doesn’t mean it’s gonna automatically herm indoors, simply because it’s grown indoors. That makes no sense.
I think the intersex thing is maybe what makes him go,”Okay, these are ‘outdoor-only.’” Seems to me, though, that if something herms indoors, it’ll probably herm outdoors, too, but maybe not.
I read a thing about cannabis pollen from plants grown in Spain being found in countries in the northern areas of Africa, all the way across the Mediterranean. But who knows if that was just pollen from Spanish seed companies being grown in the northern areas of Africa? Haha. I don’t think they got into that possibility in the article I read.
I’ve also read about growers in NorCal getting pissed about pollen from other grows contaminating their crops, so… I dunno.
Anyway, those Yesca/Jaro seeds didn’t come with that outdoor designation and neither did the Sky Cuddlers. So I really don’t know. I thoroughly enjoyed the Sky Cuddler flowers, though. I’m not gonna get rid of any of the meangene gear I have just yet haha…
Are you asking? I mean, sure, if I was dumping three gallons of water into my seven-gallon pots every-other-day, that’d stress the plants. But I’m not, so… Nor am I “over-feeding.” I don’t “feed” my plants; since I’ve flipped 28 days ago, the only thing they’ve gotten (besides ten cups of water every-other-day) was a tablespoon of MBP top dressed on day 17 and a neem/kelp tea on day 25.
I think what holyangel was getting at (and for sure what I’m getting at) is that breeders constantly try to say shit like,”Oh, well, you overwatered, so duh!” Which is, of course, a bullshit excuse in situations other than ones where the plants were actually overwatered etc. Even then, unless you were just constantly dumping too much water into the pots, I don’t think it’s a valid excuse for plants herming. They’d drown and die before they got the chance to grow sacs.
As far as “overfeeding” is concerned, I’m sure if your TDS levels are at, like, 5000 (is that a high TDS level? Haha, I really don’t know) or your EC levels were at, like, 6 (pretty sure that’s a high EC level) your plants would stress. But, again, that doesn’t apply in this situation.
Forgot to address this, but how so? You think a (slightly) controlled environment (indoors) is more stressful than an uncontrolled (outdoors) one?
I’ve wondered for a while now if the cause of plants herming indoors is actually from the lack of light at night and or the lack of a gradual change from light to dark and dark to light. If you go outside at night, if there is any moon or stars, it isn’t really that dark, certainly more light than in a sealed tent. And the changing light of dawn and dusk last hours each, which all indoor plants miss. The 15mins of far red at lights on and lights is not what I’m talking about haha, I mean slow gradual change in light intensity and spectrum.
Doesn’t seem outside the realm of possibilities that if a plant expects certain environmental conditions that have been present across generations and those conditions are missing or altered that it may severely stress the plant. Possibly more-so than natural outdoor stresses that it has learned to adapt to since forever.
There’s a good video that addresses these questions. TLDW; cannabis is really sensitive to light pollution, even outdoors, but it usually causes a reduction in flower size, sometimes herms, though that seems more cultivar specific. The full moon is not bright enough to cause an issue.
It could be for the plant if it is expecting to be outside in full spectrum sun and UV and all the sudden it’s not getting that, I suppose? It seems plausible, to me at least. Still though, I would have tested those seeds indoors before selling them, because the majority of growers are underground/indoors.
Yeah if the plants were bred outdoors for multiple generations then coming indoors is almost always going to cause herms no matter what you do. So that could very well be the issue you’re seeing with his gear indoors. Something with the abrupt light change, like @potpotpot was saying, instead of a gradual change in light amount from light to dark. I’ve not seen the reverse be true though. Indoors can go outdoors no problem but definitely stress for outdoors to come indoors. They make aquarium timers and dimmers that will auto adjust the lighting based on whatever location you want, to simulate being outdoors, but not seen anyone in the cannabis scene using them 
