I forgot to address those discord posts, holy, but those are the seed descriptions that were also posted on the speakeasy website (and maybe other places, too). I’ve seen those; that Yesca description was the one I tried to post here at the beginning of the log, but couldn’t because speakeasy disabled copy-and-paste (kinda weird, but whatever).
So thanks for posting that here. Any info direct from a breeder’s mouth is valuable info.
I actually had this going on in my tent by accident, and it confused the heck out of me. my vertical fluorescent fixture in the flowering tent would stay on for a while after the timer had turned off, even though all the lights were daisy chained and nothing was getting power.
Took me a while to figure out the fluorescent was getting residual power from the capacitor in my light emitting ceramic fixture. So even though no power was coming from the outlet into the daisy chain, the fluorescent fixture would stay on for 5 to 10 minutes until the capacitor of the main light was drained.
The plants didn’t mind.
All the classic og cuts I’ve grown were really solid. never had any herms even if they were stressed with hot days in the greenhouse or whatever.
Regular outcrosses of OGs have also been solid.
The only herms I have gotten from OGs are s1 fems, and fem hybrids made from reversed og cuts. I grew a hollywood triangle from strayfox that was a major genetic herm. Full on balls, no stress or lighting irregularities at all to provoke it. just balls everywhere as soon as it moved from preflower to flower.
I think it was from the feminization, a few other people have said the hollywood pure kush is to blame and that triangle fems are solid.
@minitiger glad to see you have a new grow thread going, I’ve got some catching up to do.
Yeah I had the supposed Hollywood Pure Kush cut and she hermed as soon as I flipped to flower.
Whereas I have stressed the F out of the Triangle Kush across multiple grows of her and the most Ive seen is a single nanner at 5 weeks. I just trashed one that was grown in a 1/4 gallon pot and infested with spider mites on every flower and she still didn’t put out any banana’s or anything.
Oh nice, glad I could help then 
Especially when they’re descriptive like mean gene is there, Professor P too.
What I mean is that as a whole, indoor growers are concerned about pinhole light leaks in their tents causing herming. But the standard guideline I have heard over and over is that if the light is not so bright that you can read a newspaper by it, to not worry. But it would take more than a pinhole to let in enough light to read a newspaper. So do pinhole light leaks not matter as much as we think they do, or is “not enough to read a paper by” an inaccurate guideline? Not that I expect an answer, because again, just stoned bullshitting haha.
Or maybe Holy is right and you’ve just gotten lucky until recently. You used to get normal m/f ratios too, right?
Yeah, that’s what I figured.
In addition to just my own experiences growing OG crosses, I was also thinking about the massive amounts of different “classic” OG’s I used to buy from dispensaries over the years. Never, not once, did I find even a single seed in any of the OG’s I’ve ever purchased. Found a seed or two here and there in some other dispensary strains (although even that was pretty rare), but I never found one in an OG. You’d think that if they were so “herm prone,” that wouldn’t have been the case.
Or I’d think that, anyway haha.
Nahhhh, don’t bother haha. It’s just the usual “blahblahblah,” no need to catch up, we’re just getting to the interesting parts now. Good to see you here, though. I thought you were already here haha.
This makes me think that maybe some breeders/growers maybe aren’t using the actual cuts, but are instead using S1’s, fems etc etc.
Ahhhhh, okay, I get it now haha! I was like,”Sweat pinholes? Newspapers? WTF?” haha.
I dunno if that whole “bright enough to read by” thing is a guideline I’d follow. I know that the one time I had something herm, I sat in the tent afterwards for a whiiiiile and found some leaks, but the light definitely wasn’t bright enough to read by. It was super-noticeable, though. I figure it had at least something to do with it.
There was a pretty good article about the last Dead and Company shows posted on The Ringer this morning, if any of you Deadheads are interested.
I’m not a huge fan, definitely never collected tapes haha (I love American Beauty, though), but it’s a good read even if you don’t like them at all.
Thanks for the link. It was a good read.
Agreed, it was a good read. Monday night in Boulder was incredible. Right out of the gates they were high energy, up tempo, not the Viagra commercial music they had been playing the last several seasons.
Adding a nice touch was atmospheric weather which turned into an hourlong storm delay (lots of lightning but only light rain, which was refreshing after the 95F heat when gates opened):
But then it cleared and a beautiful sunset arrived, and they came back ON FIRE.
Dave Matthews - my gf’s favorite musician - finished the 2.5hr set (including a Watchtower redemption after last year’s Bobby debacle) and then also joined for the whole encore. That and two drone shows…best dead show I ever saw.
It ended on a VERY high note!
Wow man! What a detailed thorough write up! It’s amazing how exponentially fast the plants grow after they get a little size!
Oh, nice! That was Monday, like, last Monday? Four days ago? That’s cool you got to go. I’ve only seen them once, in Tampa back in ‘95, musta been just a few months before Jerry died. Like I said, I’m not a huge fan (and was even less of a fan back then), started talking to some girl and then spent the whole show hooking up with her haha, no idea what songs they performed.
Well, I mean, it’s kinda more like once you flip, they explode. It took 60+ days of vegging and another month of flower to get them to where they are right now haha.
Thats an epic one to remember.
It was Monday July 3, but the first time Boulder had a 3rd show, and it ended up being arguably the best show of Dead & Co’s history. I’m also not a superfan, but I went to a couple dozen shows before Jerry died on my bday in 95 - actually dropped out of college to follow them. This last show in Boulder was better than any I saw while Jerry was alive.
For me, I love the dead of the late 60s through the mid 70s, that psychedelic Haight-Ashbury vibe all the way through the fat jams of the Muscle Shoals era. Their more popular stuff that came later doesn’t really do it for me.
No doubt!
I’m trying to find a photo I took from when I saw Further back around 2012 up at Bethel woods Ampitheater (woodstock).
It was overcast all day before the show a quick rain shower happened, which was followed up by a vibrant rainbow above the venue as Further opened that night. That was a great show.
Thats awesome man - I always loved when the weather is a participant at shows like that. I remember a couple further or dso shows that were like that.
Sounds like a good send off for this iteration!
Um… That sounds slightly superfan-ish to me haha.
Yeah, I’ll have to check it out. I’ve actually never listened to anything besides American Beauty, except for when Deadhead friends of mine would put stuff on. But I never really paid attention to it. Or rather, none of it ever caught my ear. The Muscle Shoals era stuff sounds interesting. I’ve heard a lot of their bootleg live stuff, but I’m not gonna lie, I really kinda can’t stand “jams.” Which is weird, because I love, like, Coltrane and Miles and Thelonious Monk and the Chico Hamilton Quintet and all kinds of jazz stuff, which is basically the same thing. And I LOVE Stoner Metal, when they just do that drone-y, bass-heavy,”Brrrrrannnggggg…. brrrraaannggggg…. brrrrrraaaaannnggggg…” for ten minutes straight that rattles your sternum haha.
But yeah, when I was younger and somebody’d be like,”You play guitar?” or,”You play drums? We should get together and jam sometime,” I’d always be like,”I don’t ‘jam.’ We can get together and play some songs if you want, but I’m not gonna accompany you while you solo for an hour,” haha.
The thing about the Dead and especially the live stuff is that I don’t like their guitar sound. It’s too tin-y and twangy for me. I do like their vocal harmonies, though, especially on tracks like “Attics of My Life.” I’ll check out some of their other albums, been wanting to hear some new music and that’d be new to me.
What? You mean you don’t crank “Touch of Grey” every morning? Haha.
Thanks, dude! I may check that out. I just looked at the set list and saw that seventeen-minute “Drums” thing. I actually do remember that from the show, probably because I’m (or was) a drummer. The rest is just a blur, though. I mean, Jesus, that was almost 30 years ago. 30 years… Crazy…
Maybe at one time, but I gave that all up and grew up when Jerry died.
Understood. Their studio albums are not what people get excited about. Check out their summer 72 tour stuff. Basically any show you can find from that summer tour is incredible. They’re mostly on youtube.
So you’re more like Tom Petty when he says “Don’t bore us, get to the chorus”, haha. I like seeing really good musicians jam out though and you get to see some improvisations that don’t always show up in a particular song.
Never listened to the Grateful Dead too much either though, although I have known a few people throughout my life that were definitely some serious Deadheads. I remember they were trying to convert me at some point and gave me a CD and I just remember the cover they did of “El Paso” and I still sing that song aloud today, haha.
Thanks for the link. Great read! Long live the Dead!
