Think we say polyhybrid in terms of cookies due to the fact there is ZERO line breeding going on. They’re taking a clone and chucking it on another clone, to then chuck on another clone, ad nauseum.
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There are reputable breeder who do real work at reasonable prices and include lab reports and believable copy about what to expect.
They are out there.
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As a seed buyer this messes with values of stuff so it does affect many more than folks realize. If it didn’t than I doubt anyone would care at all.
But are you? Many high priced seed sellers are just pollen chucker’s, plain and simple. They inflate prices through hype and social media campaigns, not hard work. Defending all those who jump on the hype wagon to gouge the public is not productive. Perhaps it’s those thieves you should be calling out instead of the general user who sees this idiocy.
Many breeders like BOG and Bodhi spent years developing strains and did not decide to rip people off with ridiculous prices. Saying someone should be paid for their work I can get behind, justifying charging way to much for said work I cannot. There is such a thing as fair market value. Charging more for something you put lots of time and effort into is reasonable but there has to be a limit other than the concept of just sticking it to folks for as much as you can. That just makes a person a bad human being, plain and simple. We purchased a number of expensive packs as a group only to find a number of them were total genetic crap. So the idea that those “reputable” breeders decided to charge way to much for hermie infested non germing crap kind of kills the idea of them being compensated for all their hard work since their hard work in the end produced crap.
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Or little little guys like this putting out the fire for years.
Most people I know say who the fuck is Jaws?
But they know Alien Cookies.
Or they have heard of Miracle Alien Cookies AKA - MAC #1
Jaws gets no respect…LOL
Maybe he needs to sell at $800 a pack.
But
@Blu-Tri has a bit of a point, I think anyway…
Some genetics that you just can not get, may be worth the cash to someone looking to make money selling the seeds made.
But that is not a typical seed buyer either, I feel anyway.
All seeds are a gamble, myself I am not a bit fan of losing money.
I think I might well cry if I left the heat mat on too high and fried the whole pack. 
I also may want to fight, if I knew I did it all right and none or one popped. 
Me, I listen to what the word on the street is…
I was told many years ago, I should be sifting some Alien Cookies.
But alas I did not and have regretted it ever since.
Sounds a bit like a jaws ad, I guess, but it is truth.
And just so ya know, I have never been given anything from Jaws, but I have become friends with him in the last year.
But that is a perfect example of how you can get fantastic genetics from a breeder you may never even heard of before pretty cheap too.
Also, you see, that you need not spend a fortune to get good breeding stock.
So both sides have valid points, but I think most are on the side of saving money.
Prices are a bit crazy, and could get crazier, therefore I do not support crazy prices, but others may, and I see this as contributing to even higher prices in the future.
I have a feeling when the whole royalties thing starts kicking in, prices will be crazier yet.
Anyway, just my 2 cents here.
Peace
Shag
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Oh and forgive me for 2 post in a row.
I have to say this…
I don’t think anyone is putting in the hard work to bring you the most consistent end product possible more than @Tonygreen
Yes, him and I are friends.
Yes, I was given some nice gifts from @Tonygreen
But I stand by his work, not because we are friends, I truly like what he does.
I think he will go into some detail of how it works if you asked him nicely.
More or less the Tom Hill method, expanded upon by tony.
But if you look at this method and how quickly it brings the best plant to the front on the line, you will understand it is a ton of work.
But what this offers the customers is a very consistent final product.
Almost all of the plants look and grow the same.
Again, it sounds like a TG ad, but I stand by what I said.
Most breeders can not, or do not produce a consistent end product for the consumer.
For example:
You buy grape goji og, if there is such a thing.
Where the fuck is the grape?
%& packs, no grape still???
So you buy strawberry og goji.
No F’n strawberry.
You buy lemon…
Where is the lemon?
Yea, it can be found, but not consistently.
That was my point, sorry for the rant. 
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You mean for example growing amnesia lemon haze and it has no lemon taste?
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I think seeds are worth however much someone’s willing to pay for them lol
if you don’t want the expensive seeds don’t buy them
I’ve sold seeds I’ve made for a pretty hefty chunk of change
But to OP
I’ve known a lot folks disappointed with their various SJ packs
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I was raised to feel profiteering is only for those with a lack of morals. I have no problem with someone making a reasonable profit or charging a premium for something special. Back when I bought my bud I would pay more for the good stuff regularly. It was justified. There is a difference between charging a premium and gouging people IMO.
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The name carries over but not the flavor 
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On a completely unrelated note, it seems the folks at Gage Green have had a falling out and one of them split off into a new company. He just released his first two strains recently… $400 and $200 for 7-packs of each. If smoking his own bud makes him think those are reasonable prices, maybe I really should buy some. 
Except, of course, I’ve never seen a damn word about their breeding process and have no reason to think their polyhybrid seeds would be any different from the hundreds or thousands of other polyhybrid seeds I have - full of possibility, but with no guarantees of anything.
Meanwhile, Woodhorse is selling Herijuana IBL for $100 a pack and Copa has GSD F6 for $50, both extensively documented and well-known strains that breed true and are damn near guaranteed to give me exactly what I bought. This seems to be the story with most breeders selling polyhybrids vs the ones selling extensively worked lines. As @shag mentioned earlier, @Tonygreen and Jaws also both have extremely reliable and well-documented work and I can be pretty certain of what I’m gonna get when I pop their seeds. I just don’t see why anyone would waste their money on the hyped stuff, at least not more than once; I guess it only takes once for the breeder to make their money back on the grow though. Maybe that’s why the packs are priced the way they are. 
They know they’re only gonna sell one, but they only need to.
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Ethos says he doubled+ his earnings by lowering his prices. When you go cheaper youre no longer going for niche, commercially speaking.
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I believe it. It’s been a long time since my college marketing classes, but there will be a research driven graph, for any product, that shows the highest possible price point that the most people are willing to spend on a product. That’s the sweet spot. I feel like for cannabis, that’s somewhere around $50-$75 a pack. For wine, it’s about $20 a bottle. That still leaves room for outliers at $800 a pack, or $400 a bottle. There’s a market for everything.
I think at the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not, the company selling the limited amount of packs is going to sell out even at $800 as opposed to the company that sells $50 packs who will be sitting on inventory for ever. The lower price will outperform the high cost but over what duration of time? I’m just speculating at this point. I have no teeth in the seed game.
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I’d give someone a pound for the right beans
Which is $4k
And I’m not talking like released stuff
And I’ve never paid for clone and don’t plan on it.
Special circumstances excluded
for me, not only is the love of pot a driving force in making stuff…
but it’s creating something that will give myself and whoever gets it the best price possible
I wouldn’t ever release anything without first driving demand and having the right homies hype it.
I’m gonna start looking thru 400-1000 plants at a time but it’s all a moot point for me since I don’t sell seeds.
I more often then not just share a pack for free here n there or swap stuff.
But I think IP is important for genetics
beyond the race to the bottom, the right kind of exclusivity is going to be important in the future and current markets
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I’ve also got over 50 f1 of test progeny that have been grown out and proven her breeding chops. Even on the outcross we know what we’re gonna get pretty much.
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$800 is literally a whole budget 8x4 tent setup, lights fans and filter
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@Shamus
I think seeds are worth however much someone’s willing to pay for them lol
This is the definition of capitalism.
Makes me want to buy a single $1000 clone of Gary Peyton and BX the fuck out of it once and dump a bunch of $500 packs on instagram.
Although I’m sure someone else beat me to this gold mine like a year ago…
Back to the salt mines…
Funny that Tony Green chimed in above me. His gear has been the MOST legit gear I’ve run to date.
…Yeah, I’m a fan.
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I went down the route of wanting endless seeds, so I bred some of my own. I have great stuff but you’re route would of been easier and cheaper. All I would need would be 3 good seeds a year. One Sativa, one Indica and one CBD. And clone my way for about 8-10 months before I might switch up a strain. Instead I worked my butt off on my hobby of seed breeding. I mean what kind of crazy guy would collect and breed Cannabis Genetics to fill a 4’x 3’ flower space. All knowing he never intends to sell his work. So I consider your path as the smarter path and all you have to do is identify one smart breeder to get your seeds from.
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I like the seed runs because there’s real life documentation start to finish.
Can’t say that about a lot of breeders. I’ve had very good results from seed run gear and imagine it will be my workhorse for the foreseeable future.
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