heirlooms for the win 
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I had a friend that got into Copy’s gear a few years ago. He gave me a couple of Sour Apple Killer and Gary Payton fems. I popped the SAKs and 1 was a straight male. Never touched his gear again after that. My buddy sent me this “Master List” that Copy was sending out a couple of years ago. The amount of strains he was getting out every month seemed suspect to me (but what do I know).
Copycat Master List.pdf (1.2 MB)
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Grow enough plants you will get a good one, it’s off spring will have similar traits but may never be as nice.Looks and size and intelligence work the same in people. When you got people like copy cat who say hey if they are willing to pay i am willing to charge, i will put them to 5k if they want to pay it. Not sure why after guys like that you would trust high price gear.
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I’m happy to pay a premium for worked lines. I think there are different acceptable price ranges depending on the product. Say $50-100 for 10-12 beans of ‘f1’s’ or your standard one male on a bunch of clones kind of seed making. (Like what Bodhi / Doc D etc tends to release.) But if there’s a breeder who’s working a line or bxing to lock down certain traits that can take years of selection. If it’s a guy I trust and like there work I have no prob dropping $150-200 for something worked. which is about in line with what the reputable guys who do that kind of work seem to charge. (Bob Hemphill, Mean Gene etc etc.) More than $100 and it better be tested diligently. More than $150 it better be a multi-generational project or an incredibly difficult plant to S1 (see caleb’s tk s1’s) more than $200-250 that it is just highway robbery and probably not worth it.
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P.T. Barnum once said, “There’s a sucker born every minute!”.
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Stable worked lines I’m fine paying more for as well. I’m not setup nor do I really care to pheno hunt. So much love for those hunters though.
The big issue I see is high prices on lines that have too much genetic variation. The worst thing is paying triple digits, popping seeds and getting few to none of the traits described by the breeder. I’m also partial to female seeds (when done properly) and clones though.
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I’m growing 3 seed junky plants now. Kush mints. They’re expensive if you can find them. Swamp Boys Jungle Boys Dyin Breed are all super expensive. I will say this. The best and most popular weed I’ve grown has been from ethos. Banana Daddy, growing my 3rd crop now, has my people going wild. Comes in auto and photo. Growing photos now. It’s a very very fun high then gradually hits your body. But it’ll have people talking a mile a minute if you harvest with about 10% amber
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Isn’t that how these breeders stick it to the consumer though? The S1 reversed seeds they sell may grow more often than not with some of those heavily marketed traits, but when the consumer begins breeding with their seeds (the progeny of those reversed S1’s), all the weird traits start coming out of the woodwork.
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President T does not smoke or drink you should know that.
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That is the way I see 150 packs from Dominion /Tony G/ top dawg. I got 10 pounds of weed out of one 20 dollar seed and its clones.
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Anything from D.r Greenthumb in Canada.
“Guy Laliberté, the art collector and co-founder of Cirque du Soleil said to be worth an estimated $1 billion, has been charged with possessing and growing marijuana after turning himself in to French Polynesian police earlier this week. Authorities allege that the 60-year-old was cultivating cannabis in a secured container on his private island in the South Pacific, which he has developed as a luxury holiday destination for the elite since purchasing it in 2007.”
That guy is smoking some fire 
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That guy was on a lot of poker shows on TV around 12 years ago. He seemed like a great dude! I hope they don’t make an example of him
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There’s this place I’ve heard of where you can get strains for $2 a pop plus shipping twice a year.
Where do they get the nerve?
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Yeah this has been a thing in the industry for awhile now. Can’t name names but definitely a thing…
They do stuff like S1 their own cut through rodelization and use that to make the cross instead of the real deal clone, but then label the seeds as being the real deal clone x whatever other plant. So you think you’re buying an f1 but as soon as you F2 them the herms and mutants start coming out. Literal built-in sabotage.
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I think he was fined and/or had to donate to a foundation.
His lawyer argued the containers full of weed and the 20 gardeners taking care of it is all for personal smoke for medical reasons.
He did sell the island recently though…
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why did he turn himsef in??
So breeding with S1’s is bad?
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No not at all if you label the resulting seeds as being YY S1 x Whatever. I’m saying there are people that will sell you a strain, lets say g13 x ww, but in reality they were selling you g13 s1 x ww. You thought you were buying a pack from a legit cut, but turns out it’s not. That S1 won’t breed the same as the real deal and good luck pulling out a plant out that resembles her. It’s one thing if I know I’m buying a cross from an S1, chances are I want that S1 cut too if I were doing that, but it’s another being half lied to expecting a cross from the real deal and instead getting a cross from an S1 of it I’ve never seen before.
If you add stressing the plant until it herms out in order to make those S1’s that you’re not disclosing to anyone… Even worse. But I’ve sure seen the results.
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Gotcha! So that’s more important for clone only stuff and the provenance related to it then. I have a few S1’s I was planning to pollen chuck with so I was curious. Thanks for clearing that up!
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