Landraces of India

You mentioned the Punto Rojo also having male flowers. It may be an environmental issue. Is the night time temperature of the floor cold enough to cause an issue? Equatorial cultivars like warm roots. I have seen cold winter floors trigger herring issues.

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It sounds awesome! I’ve been wanting to run into something strong pine or rosemary. :evergreen_tree::evergreen_tree:

What’s your light schedule? I grew some Nam Kading and they all hermed. The schedule was 10/14. I grew clones of the original hermers under 12/12 and they went to harvest without herm.

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I have found hermaphrodite in trimbak and now in ukhrul.

It is assumed that punto rojo CBG presents 10% hermaphroditism. but so far they have been very stable in sex. My red point have been the most stable and are much more advanced in flowering than ukhrul and trimbak. In punto rojo there were ten plants. but in the end to reproduce I left 2 males and 4 females for reproduction. The other four were left out because I didn’t like their phenotype, I only left what I considered the most classic of the punto rojo phenotypes.

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here we are at a time of 11:50\12:10

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So much for my theory then. :joy::joy:

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Ok. Do you think something in the light source or grow environment/floor(root) temperature is causing the hermaphroditism?

imho, it is probably nitrogen toxicity. These plants love growing on nothing.

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I don’t think it’s an environmental cause, I think it’s quite simple, there are lines that don’t feel comfortable in pots. Virtually every online follow-up I’ve seen from Ukhrul and Manipur has featured intersex. and trimbak always thought he might be intersex. That’s why he only germinated a few seeds and I didn’t reproduce the line. If you see the photos of trimbak flowers that Shiv posted on her IG, you can see in the photos cut and dried flowers, but with some immature seeds. Due to the size of the flowers and the immaturity of the seeds, it can be perfectly deduced that it received pollen quite late in flowering, when all the males should have already been eliminated for a seedless crop. for the same reason and for the amount of seeds contained in the trimbak flowers that shiv shows. I think that a line with hermaphroditism is perfectly justified.

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I don’t understand what could lead you to think nitrogen toxicity. Because I don’t see any signs of nitrogen toxicity in the plants you mention, in fact I hardly fertilize the sativas. It makes me laugh at the guesses in the air that some people give.

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I’m glad you’re amused. :thinking:

Not really, just to be clear.

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Unless you know the trajectory of that grow of the seeded flowers in the photo, that is only an assumption that the plant was grow under the direct intention of removing the males. Environmental factors such as root temperature DO contribute to hermaphroditism.
Sure, plants responding to the restricted root area of growing in a pot is certainly a factor, but not the only factor.

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Here’s the thought:

  1. Stressful conditions usually activate ethylene biosynthesis in plants.
  2. Applications that can inhibit the ethylene production will cause female plants to produce males flowers.
  3. Nitrogen deficiency may play a positive role in ethylene biosynthesis.
  4. Auxin induces ethylene production.

But you’re right, your plants show no sign of N toxicity, so apologies for that oversight. I hope some auxins along with myco can help sir.

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Bro Rory, I’m not saying that environmental factors don’t affect, all kinds of stress affect the expression of hermaphroditism genes.

What I am saying is that "I don’t think that is the case in these plants, they are plants that after several months in pots can be seen without burns on the edge of the leaves or tips, due to overfertilization or bad pH in the substrate. temperature of the substrate is not low, I am at 33° south latitude and it is still summer, the temperature of the substrate will not be a problem until the end of April. If you look for references of ukhrul or manipur with potted crops. you will see that intersexuality problems are the norm. There is a clear environmental factor in it

What makes me think that my ulhrul and my intersex trimbak are not environmental factors? Environmental factors should also trigger cannabiogen punto rojo hermaphroditism. (the bank recognizes 10% herma in the line) but the red point has not shown hermaphroditism and is more advanced in flowering. The other thing that makes me think that it is not environmental is that there is only one ukhrul that so far has shown intersex flowers, there are seven others that have no intersex problems so far. Even one that is poorly cared for with a bad substrate pH, its sex is stable.

The expression of the intersexual tendency is given by the tendency given by genes and the environment. and that equation is different for each landrace. for each individual within the same collection

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I think that if in trimbak, I have 1 hermaphrodite of 2 or 2 of 2, it could become environmental. although the smaller trimbak is barely sexed, because it was planted much later. Although I think it’s genetic. since in landrace lines it is common to find hermaphrodites, which do not usually express themselves in the climate of origin and in the mother soil. but that in the farming reality in other places it is expressed. In the case of the Shiv ukrul, at the moment only 1 hermaphrodite out of 7 individuals, it would not justify an environmental explanation.

We will see how that sexuality is expressed in the breeding of these seven ukhrul. I hope to find individuals with strong enough sexuality

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All good, hermano. That explanation clears up many things. What I find interesting about these particular landrace varieties, is almost no one outside of India has even grown Trimbak before 2020. The results that we encounter are very useful to the greater community.

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@roryborealis, what you said about trimbak made me decide not to cut it, I took out the male flower, cut off some low branches, so that it wouldn’t be so tedious to check every day to see if it produced more male flowers and pollinated some low branches. so that it slows down its self-pollination instinct a little. It has an earthy smell, its flowers are sweet mushroom. It is a really beautiful plant.
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Ukhrul, Rat Tail pheno

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Dude. The second photo is probably one of the coolest cannabis photos that I have ever seen. Well done! Man, look at the way the super skinny leaves overlap. it’s almost hypnotic like a Tibetan Buddhist mandala.:moyai: :milky_way:

When I imagine ganja from 10,000 years ago, that is what comes to mind. I’ll bet that plant has some interesting stories to tell. :sauropod: :flying_saucer:

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rat tail

The skinny razor thin leaves are in a class all on their own. Thank you for sharing these pics and your progress!!

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