Landraces of India

Steve Ukhrul …Did I do that!!!

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Keep in mind how rare these seeds are. We are some of the few people in the West to even have these genetics. Selective breeding, for sure. Some selective work has already been done in India, but we really need to hash out :wink: the more desirable qualities. Sprout vigor is one characteristic that truly matters. One thing is fore sure, these cultivars are truly rugged. They can handle temperature extremes better than most modern cultivars. When growing indoors, keep the roots warm. It will help prevent hermies. Unless that cultivars are from mountainous regions suchas Pakistan and Afghanistan, you want to mimc the soil temperature and moisture content level from it’s native region. @Upstate is keen to point out their points of origin, that helps tremendously. Study that terrain, topography and sunlight duration(data tables online), that will help to dial in your indoor grow. I have a Manipur outdoors that did not begin to flower until the sunlight duration was 11 hours and very ORANGE(HPS indoors).

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Check out Badrakali Maharashtra on Cocogenes. = Bhadra. Shiv says it had a massive head high to it. Unexplored genetics. The other one i dont know…maybe its listed above in the thread?

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Bhadra will be 16 + weeks. Meghalaya may be a bit faster. Cocogenes has Khasi Hills going 12-14 weeks. They are related to each other.

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I always go for open pollination the first round to preserve all genetics. I will also take my favorite male and heavily pollinate a branch of my favorite female. There will be seeds from all the males on this branch, but many of them will be from your favorite male too. Take cuttings of your favorite ladies to smoke them seedless later.
You’ll know a special plant if you see it. I take cuttings all the way through flower.

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I’m gonna see how these seeds do in DWC. Ive been working on a small setup designed for the purpose of growing seeds. So as soon as they develop a few nodes they’ll be triggered to flower. I’ve a shit ton of Gorilla Glue x Monkey Haze seeds that are germinating at the moment and they’ll be my test run. If everything goes smoothly then the Ukhrul seeds will be next in line.

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Thank you @Upstate for your response

I think the Meghalaya it will be first
I really Shy away from things that long , ever since I ran a long sativa and it started to re veg after 12 weeks scared the hell out of me I know I cut that way too soon and I have no idea what I did wrong now I adopt a strategy of when I start to flower I’ll start at 12/12 then drop 30 minutes every few weeks till I reach 10/14 then leave till finish

This will be the first long term sati That really interests me so hopefully I’ll do it justice

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Plenty of people here to help if you need a hand judging ripeness. I started doing the same thing with these long flowering sativas, dropping 15 minutes every 4 weeks or so. I’m definitely not religious about it. Sometimes when I have 11 hours daylight cycle they will get 12 hours instead or vice versa depending on work schedule. Nitrogen levels that are too high can definitely delay flowering. It’s really difficult to judge how much you should use when you’re not exactly sure of the flowering time. Some of the other companies list Meghalaya at 16 weeks…so be prepared. If you get a good plant it will definitely be worth the effort. This area has extremely high rainfall like I mentioned earlier, but the buds are also rock hard on some Meghalayan varieties, unusual for such a wet area. Some people make hash out of it, but it’s mainly used for ganja. Looking forward to seeing some pictures of plants in this thread😁

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Balochistan Red Stem Shidi Bhang beans (big ones) vs Lower Ulleri Annapurna Nepali Himalaya beans. The Ulleri’s are the smallest cannabis seeds I’ve ever seen. Crazy thing is how the sprouts still come up the same size.

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Clarke says seed size is related to how ‘worked’ the strain is by man. The smaller seeds are more closely related to the original wild strains.

It would be really interesting seeing a side by side grow…

Cheers
G

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Who is Clarke? That’s an interesting take on the seeds. Never heard that before.

What I’ve observed is that the bean size seems to be determined from the mom. These are both outcrossed beans from the landrace moms. Original seeds were almost if not exactly the same. I know with dogs, you want to select a mom that’s not too much smaller than the dad to account for birthing issues. (Chihuahua mom with a Great Dane dad might kill the mom during birth - vice versa would work, but might be too funny to watch :slight_smile: )

The outcrossed f2 seeds of a landrace x a modern polyhybrid, according to Clarke’s theory, should create a seed somewhere in the middle of the size of the mom and dad (of the f1 gen). Eventually when we f2 to these I’ll try to report back here but might be another year or so.

I don’t think we’re going to run the Balo outcross anytime soon, but some of the others yes. We pollenated a couple other landrace varieties with the polyhybrid male:
Eastern Manipur-Burma
Upper Chuile Annapurna Region Nepal
Acapulco Gold (prob not landrace)
Oldtimer’s Haze (not landrace but prob close to ibl I’m guessing)

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Sorry, Robert Connell Clarke, I think of him as ‘Professor Pot’ :laughing:
I’ve been reading through his works this last year.

Check out Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany, Hashish! & Marijuana Botany. There’s some overlap but they are all well written and easy reads.
Amazing information.

Cheers
G

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Cool thanks for the info. Can’t get enough cannabis literature.

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If you poke around a little you can find files to download…

Cheers
G

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Here is a eastern manipur Burma acting a little strange , most of the branching is normal but then this shows up


This is the same plant but showing normal branch attachment

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Awesome to see you have some of these going! I’ve seen that mutation before. typically it has been found by me on Fasciated plants.

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Lo and behold my seeds from Shiv arrived today. He put them in a green envelope, so I almost had a stroke when I opened the mailbox, but all is well.

I ordered them on 5/17, and I’d written them off months ago, so I’m totally stoked they made it. :grinning:
:guitar:

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Wooo! Glad to see these coming through. Gives me hope.

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I’ve been chatting with Shiv, and just this week ordered a big batch of seeds from him. Hopefully they arrive before winter is over. Can’t wait to play with some of these strains!

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I grew One South Indian plant this summer, called Pallani Black. Plant started out as a male, and then switched to full female later. Since the plant was a hermaphrodite, I don’t have much hope for The Offspring. However, I just noticed a Seedling growing in the pot that I had that plant in and that just survived a 20 degree night. Probably closer to 18 degrees. Incredible! Now I have to grow it LOL

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