Madjag himself said that he doesn’t remember much from when he ran skunk1, to refer to what skunkman has to say for he should know… 
Cool dude nonetheless, I’m glad he’s still around.
He’s a Rockstar 
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Secrecy? That was simply not possible growing skunk. It reeked. Indoors or out. Outdoors you cold smell it a half mile away. Indoors, I was ripped off growing it in my closet. One day I came home from work and the front door had been jimmied open and the plant leaves were all cut off. The FAN leaves. Useless to smoke. Which shows you how uneducated people were then (in 1975). They could have had a pound of Oaxacan weighed out and bagged up if they had looked in my dresser drawers. But lo, they clipped the headache leaves and ran.
As for skunk weed being preserved, that goes for just about all strains back then. Everyone had seeds from bag weed, and jars and bags full of them. We had an unlimited supply of weed from Mexico, Hawaii, Colombia, SE Asia, Africa and then locally (early sensimilla tended to have some seeds). Most people did not properly store the seeds when separated for rolling joints and they went off over time. I never in my wildest dreams would have thought that Colombian seeds would be considered as ‘rare’ now. There were between 100-250 seeds in every bricked lid.
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Interesting. Replying to your and other posts here in one general reply:
I can refute much of what Watson claimed (or people here claim) happened in NorCal where I was from the mid 1960s to the mid 1980s (SF and Monterey Bay areas). For example, I can say from experience that Skunk #1 was around before (“master breeder and manager of Sacred Seeds” -all a complete fabrication-) Watson claims to have bred it. I still have some of those old beans. They do not all pop up as smelly RKS skunk as claimed by some. Far from it. Most have variable floral and fruit smells, and a few throw skunk smells. Much like Uncle Fester’s skunk lines that Master Thai (his nephew) inherited, and the skunk lines from Switzerland that results in lines like original Swiss Erdbeer. Also Sam was most certainly NOT the main reason that plants have higher myrcene in them after the mid 1980s. That was the result of Afghani genetics being grown on their own or bred with other lines. Many many many breeders here in the west grew and bred lines, particularly in the Emerald Triangle. Mendo Purps, Purple Urkle and GDP are example of their breeding, and those strains reek. Sam had zero to do with those lines. Nor with lines that “The Indian” bred in Washington state (Northern Lights), Or Dog Bud/Chem Dawg/OG Kush/NYC Diesel (all stinky as all sh*t lines), or any of the lines that DJ Short and dozens of other breeders developed early on in the US west. If anything Dave Watson purposely and deliberately bred the myrcene out of skunk and Durban Poison.
I was never in Amsterdam or The Netherlands so I cannot speak to what happened there myself. Old Ed was the real influence to the Amsterdam weed scene. There are photos of Old Ed with a large skunk plant in Holland circa 1980 I believe it was. Old Ed was from Portland. Many say he was from NorCal, but he was from here in Oregon. Old Ed was not out to make a name for himself, nor claim credit where it was not due. I read some other stuff by Old Ed where he stated that he was astounded with the speed and the extreme scale that Watson and Clarke went to once they got to Amsterdam. He was quite worried about it. I will see if I can did that stuff up.
As or Mendocino Joe, like Sam Skunk, he gets a lot of credit where credit is not due. I have read that he bred original Romulan, but I believe that he merely ripped off the bikers in the East Bay for Romulan. I associated with the bikers in the South Bay (in Morgan Hill) and they were always dealing skunk, Romulan, and hash, as well as PCP and crank. I later read that Mendo Joe 1) went to Amsterdam and 2) he moved to Mendocino and personally and individually founded the entire Emerald Triangle weed growing scene. Except Uncle Fester also moved to Mendocino, and several of my friends moved to Humboldt and Mendocino and Sonoma Counties and grew large amounts of weed. There was no one person did it all, either in the South Coast, Santa Cruz Mountains, and certainly not the Emerald Triangle. There were many independent ventures in all those places, and there still are to this day (both legal and illegal).
As for naming of strains… you can basically name a strain anything you want in any of the legal states, save for names that appeal to kids like Bruce Banner, Cinderella, and Bubblegum. So they have become BB, Cindy and BBG here on the shelves. That said, they can pretty much be whatever the grower claims, real, fake or otherwise. There is no real authority on strains, strain names or sources. You can make claims from the likes of Phylos Galaxy or Steep Hill, but those databases are only as good as the sources and what they claim them to be. Hence the wide disparity between submitted lines there. As for submitting strains for open sourcing or the like, in the US at least, with the exception of new GMO strains, only clones can be plant patented. If you get 100 seeds from a cross or IBL line, that is 100 different strains and they cannot be patented as one strain of the parent. Even if they were all RKS skunkweed.
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He always seemed like a no drama kinda cat.
That question comes with a ton of drama.
Get him out to dinner with a bit of wine and you may hear otherwise.
Also
Once you type it you can not take it back.
Thanks for the story, I love to hear the real deal. 
I was repeatedly ridiculed by folks at ICrag for suggesting there was such a thing.
Skunkface himself stepped in and said how wrong I was.
Said it was not happening, said they grow THC on yeast, no need for GMO weed.
What a liar that guy is. 
His fan club all chewd my ass about it too…LOL
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Old Ed (Ed Holloway) was the ~real~ American west influence in Amsterdam. He pre-dated Watson and Ed Rosenthal (and Clarke) by 7 years there. Here is a tribute to him by Wernard Bruining.
R.I.P Old Ed: The Man Who Introduced Cannabis To Amsterdam
—
In Memoriam
Old Ed
July 9th 1917- June 7th 2007
In 1979, Old Ed came from Oregon USA to the Netherlands. He brought us
his knowledge of ‘Sinsemilla’ horticulture and his seeds.
For 5 years he lived in my house and I felt blessed in his pressence.
For me he was send by God. He taught me to smoke pure, grow organically
and communicate with the plants.
His seeds were the first in Europe to be commercialized by the Amsterdam
Lowlands Seed Company (1980-1984). That was the start of Eurocannabis.
He was a dedicated opponent of the anti-cannabis laws and saw that it
was an almost moral obligation to break them.
During the years he returned to Europe a few times and made many new
friends.
We will always remain grateful for his gift to the mellow people in Europe.
Please sign his register, so his children and grandchildren can
appreciate what their father and grandfather meant to us.
-Wernard Bruining
From Cannabis History by Dr D CBD:
1979 – Ed Holloway and expert cannabis grower relocates to Holland from California. Old Ed was turned onto cannabis by his son, a Vietnam Vet. He would inspire Bruining and others to turn Amsterdam into the Jamaica of Europe.
1980 – Holloway shares his growing techniques with Dutch the pro cannabis Bruining and Hoekert. Ed teaches cloning and Sea of Green techniques. Old Ed’s Seeds were the first to be commercially sold in Holland, by the Lowlands Weed Company owned by Bruining and Hoekert.
Old Ed at age 90…
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Tribute site with guestbook and history, photos, etc.
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Ha ha. That is funny. Watson is a moderator over on IcyRag. They suck up to him over there (and here as well). I was banned there for calling him out on many issues many years ago now. He has denied that GMO cannabis exists for a long time, even though he uses CRISPR (gene editing) methods himself, which is in fact a GMO process. But there is a real deal GMO Cannabis company in New Mexico called Trait Bioscience that has been developing GMO Cannabis for some time now (over 2 years since the announcement, it was in development long before that). You can read about it here and post it on IcyRag for the SkunkFool to choke on:
It is also true that at about the same time they developed yeast strains to produce any cannabinoid or terpinoid by brewing yeast in vats. That was invented at UC Berkeley and they are developing that process commercially for production in Canada now. Or they were, I have not kept up with that technology.
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While I would love to, I was banned more or less for fuckin with sam too.
Let’s just say my days were numbered…LOL
Sounds like both you and I were a thorn in his side round the same time.
We have something cool in common…, 
It is really good chatting with ya. 
Oh thanks for the links too.
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Glad to see you guys taking up the baton and giving Gypsy hell… no one deserves it more… brings a smile to my face
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Sorry? Clarke’s first published book on Cannabis came out in 1977. “The Botany and Ecology of Cannabis” Published on January 1, 1977 by Pods Press. He wrote it in the years before that. Here it is on Amazon… not available there, but I have a copy.
As for what Todd says? That is mostly bullsh*t.
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Not exactly. This is all grey area stuff. For several reasons, and it is different in different states. According to my lawyer friends much of this remains untested or is being shaken out in the courts. Some things have changed at the federal level regarding hemp and marijuana definitions, but that has yet to trickle down. The details are still being worked out by the USDA, the DEA and FDA. And by all states. The US federal hemp THC limit has been raised to 1% from 0.3%. That is at the federal level though. At the state and certain federal agency levels it is typically 0.3% or even less (as it is in Idaho, where Mj is anything with any measurable THC). Anything over that remains illegal at the federal level. Enforced? Not much, but still not legal. Now the state legal systems come in below that. In many states marijuana seeds and clones remain illegal. Also any interstate transport of any marijuana remains illegal at the federal level, regardless of state laws. But the DEA admits that the illegal interstate transport of Cannabis seeds of all types is simply not enforceable. That still does not make it legal. But then here in Oregon rec weed is legal at the state level, and still illegal at the federal level. Let me remind the class here: At the federal level, marijuana remains a schedule 1 substance. Now the feds are not busting me for growing here, but they could. Biden has not done shit to legalize weed, and he never will. He has made a career out of being anti-drugs and remains so.
According to the US post office, marijuana seeds and clones are not allowed to be shipped, and only hemp and hemp-based products, including CBD with THC concentration not exceeding a 0.3 percent limit are permitted to be mailed in domestic mail only when:
-The mailer complies with all applicable federal, state, and local laws, and plans approved by the USDA under 7 CFR Part 990 pertaining to hemp production, processing, distribution, and sales; and
-The mailer retains records establishing compliance with such laws and plans, including laboratory test results, licenses, or compliance reports, for no less than 3 years after the date of mailing.
UPS states that they reserves the right to dispose of any shipment containing marijuana, hemp or hemp products in any packages that are shipped with them. That includes instate or interstate transport.
Also note that it is not legal to import cannabis seeds and/or clones from overseas (unless the seeds have been certified as sterilized), and US customs can and will intercept seeds or clones and dispose of them and deliver the package empty to you with a note saying that the contents has been intercepted as contraband. I have several friends that have had that happen to them lately from certain European seed companies.
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Thank you very much – you sure cleared things up fro me. it’s a shame that some companies say “ship anywere in USA” (Clone Cellar)(many/all seed banks) Guess it must be the “luck-of-the-Draw” if you don’t get caught Very important informaion
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Marijuana Botany didn’t come out until 81. I guess he had another book too. Thanks for pointing it out.
The info in the Jingles article still doesn’t really match what is in there. I’m re-reading the Botany book right now after reading that article.
Sorry if I don’t just take some random guy from the internet’s word when he up and calls everyone a scammer or bullshit.
IMO, anyone calling Todd a scammer has an immediate red flag in my book. And that is just the way it is going to be. Todd’s been a vocal advocate for 30 years. He went to prison and didn’t roll on anyone. He isn’t here to defend himself. Fuck anyone who would take advantage of the situation and try to talk shit. I still live by the golden rule.
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Now it’s getting spicy. A proxy war, if you will.
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Has anyone here grown any crosses from nature farm? he says the male he uses in his crosses, the skunk fester carries the real skunk
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Everything I ever ran from TNF has been good and stinky. There are for sure smelly plants in those beans just have not smelled the RKS in them.
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Very interesting read. Ill go to restroom and come back and watch for more.
I’m running an uncle fester Skunk 18 cross now, crossed with Washington Skunk. I’ve gotta strong Skunk aroma in it.
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