Growing on the cheap! Korean Natural Farming

taiga · April 19, 2019, 6:00pm

I use a few inputs, OHN, FPE/FPJ, FAA, LABS, and IMOs

Um I would say it’s a bit of work, and probably unnecessary for me at this point as I’m using amended soil and feeding at fairly low dosages. (Other than the OHN as I feel like that has benefited the health of my plants quite a bit and it seems to be pretty good for pest management.)
I like to supplement with LABS as well as other beneficial bacteria (https://themodern.farm/why/ )

I guess mostly it’s just fun. I try and forage for or grow most of the things I use in the FPE and FPJs or get it from friends or farmers markets and watching things ferment is just another bonus.

Badfishy1 · April 19, 2019, 6:21pm

Somethings in life boil down to what is it worth to YOU? How in life am I going to spend what little time i have to get the most satisfaction. I’d rather be playing in the garden with zero noticeable results but learn something than sit on Facebook and pretend IGAF about people I never talk to, or watch some garbage on television or watch a movie. I have made and use calphos, ohn, ffj, fpj, and labs. I use all 5 regularly. Does it have some super breakthrough technology? No, but to ME it’s time well spent.

curiouscat · August 26, 2019, 9:05pm

Brewers yeast, anyone tried it?

curiouscat · September 3, 2019, 9:13am

I’m asking as it’s high in yummy nutrients

curiouscat · September 3, 2019, 9:17am

Just found this link

curiouscat · September 12, 2019, 9:00pm

I found this in a forum called THCfarmer

Heres a npk list a dude named sophisto pasted on another site that ive been thinking about…

Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7 Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste
(From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have “freebees” come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5

Hope it’s of any use

Tappy · September 12, 2019, 11:10pm

Cool concept!! Good read!!

Tinytuttle · September 20, 2019, 4:53pm

Wow did some wood ashes to the plants in flower but may just incorporate some citrus peels into the fire also ! Thanks for sharing @curiouscat!

curiouscat · September 20, 2019, 6:21pm

It’s a way of giving back

Shadey · September 20, 2019, 7:09pm

Holy crap, I was looking for a good potassium source, I eat 1 or 2 grapefruits a day. Going to dig all the skins out the recycle bin now. I didn’t think citrus fruit was good for worms, never thought about cremating it either.

Cheers Mr Cat.

cannabissequoia · September 20, 2019, 8:07pm

You don’t have to smoke them @Shadey, just burn them.

Tinytuttle · September 20, 2019, 8:26pm

Ummmhh that has to be rinds and all! here goes the chant! SHADEY! SHADEY! SHADEY!

Shadey · September 20, 2019, 9:35pm

Ok, I will rephrase that, I was looking for a good potassium source for my plants. I get plenty of it from other things including the grapefruit.

Think I might cook up the skins in the barbecue. Already got 2 freezer bags full, after dragging it all out the bin. Going to be doing potatoes and orange peelings in the BBQ as well.

Tinytuttle · September 20, 2019, 10:36pm

Haha I knew that’s what you meant must of been on a different mind set from a recent vape! Funny I just peeled half a 10 lb bag of spuds myself tonight for dinner gathered them up and threw them in the freezer till next bonfire

Tinytuttle · September 20, 2019, 10:57pm

Matter of fact I think I’ll just do that all the scrapes everything organic … will make for less smelly trash cans prior to trash day and less organic waste to the landfills!

cannabissequoia · September 21, 2019, 1:40am

I have a 1-2 day kitchen bucket(about a quart) then outside a 5 gal. bucket with a metal washtub for a lid, drain holes in bottom of bucket.

All of my kitchen waste(sometimes even chicken bones), every non-hazardous paper-waste goes into the bucket. After 2-4 wks I add it to the compost along with whatever manure my 2 chickens leave.

Since I let my compost sit idle this summer a huge mycelium mat formed at the base & sprouted some shrooms. I mixed it all up hoping for even more.

The Tao of Lazy

Tappy · October 11, 2019, 11:24am

Gonna try some shrimp heads and cucumber skin ash!!! You say just to bury these at the bottom of the plot, yeah?

Tinytuttle · October 11, 2019, 1:36pm

Just remember a little bit goes a long way! I like to spread over the top and scratch it in or throw it in water and water away ! Very alkaline if ya use ph meters shocking how much the ph raises with it in water.

neogitus · October 23, 2019, 4:28pm

How’s it going everyone? I am wondering who has some experience with LAB. I am in the middle of making it for the first time for fun and am curious about a few things. My first container has separated and has the most delicious mozzarella cheese aroma. The liquid isn’t as yellow as what I have seen in some videos though. Is this still ok? or did I do something wrong? If I add it to a hydroponic reservoir is the application rate still 1 to 1000? My plants are well into flower and I wont be doing any foliar and am wondering if it still has a benefit to add to the root zone.

Another thing I am curious about is if the whey that is leftover from making homemade live cultured yogurt is the same/can be also be used on the plants. And the last question would be is that curd edible? it smells super good but don’t want to be feeding the dog any potential pathogens.

(notice the liquid from the yogurt is much more yellow or could just be the white background making it look that whey )

Appreciate any info.

anon58740919 · October 23, 2019, 4:36pm

Have a look at Chris Trump making cheese it’s definitely edible. And apparently really good. I’m only just going down this rabbit hole myself. Literally gluing up 2 IMO1 collection boxes courtesy of @ifish.

I’m no expert but I’d say you have a decent batch of LAB there. Scoop those curds and filter your whey brother

I imagine dogs would absolutely love it.