Awesome thread fam! Thanks for bringing KNF to OG
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How many of you are actually doing all this stuff? 
While itās very interesting & seems logical/natural, thereās more work to all the steps described in every component than I care to engage in. It seems like more work than all of my gardening combined!
So thatās why I ask. If they had a 1 part retail version Iād happily go to it. 
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youtube chris trump. if he can run 1/3 farmland in hawaii using it. you can do your garden
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I did! 
(before posting).
I appreciate his demonstration & donāt disregard it at all. 
What Iām perplexed by is the seeming/apparent HUGE workload and plethora of input materials-- two things I canāt accomodate for lack of time/energy/$. It immediately reminded me of the ābottleheadsā and menus of nutrient 
with the feeding charts. 
As far as scale & my abilitiesā¦ he undoubtedly has assistance and/or doesnāt have my personal limitations/health problems. If there were a single element instead of a dozen or so it wouldnāt seem so daunting. However thereās no inidication (to me) that half-assing it would be of any real benefit. So a single bottle āoff the shelfā is more appealing in comparisonā¦but doesnāt fit the KNF scheme.
Back to my original question to no-tillinā KNFāing OGers: Do you actually make & use all of the KNF components or just some or what?
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I made a bunch of them. Used them successfully for about a year before moving to amended soil. Itās not really a lot of work or money, just time and effort. I made and used the calphos, cannabis fermentation, fish fertilizer, yucca fermentation, and squash banana, papaya (flowering) ferment. None of them cost more than a few pennies.
Itās pretty much the same thing as using biobizz or biocannaā¦ it is a bottle feed mentality.
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Not much time at all @cannabissequoia by throwing dried crushed up egg shells in vinegar for a couple of days and using it as a good calcium source iv made natural soap that was fun and will have several uses in and around the garden for weed control and watering soil Iāll probab end up making fish hydrolosate they only thing I donāt see my self doing is probably a whole run of OHN but I do have most of the ingredients for it if I have the slightest inkling
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Might look like a lot of work from the outside but when it comes down to it, itās pretty simple and really cost effective ā¦ I donāt do every knf method of things but incorporate a lot of it into my growing ā¦ no ways I could afford to grow how I do using store nutrients ā¦
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I use a few inputs, OHN, FPE/FPJ, FAA, LABS, and IMOs
Um I would say itās a bit of work, and probably unnecessary for me at this point as Iām using amended soil and feeding at fairly low dosages. (Other than the OHN as I feel like that has benefited the health of my plants quite a bit and it seems to be pretty good for pest management.)
I like to supplement with LABS as well as other beneficial bacteria (https://themodern.farm/why/ )
I guess mostly itās just fun. I try and forage for or grow most of the things I use in the FPE and FPJs or get it from friends or farmers markets and watching things ferment is just another bonus.
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Somethings in life boil down to what is it worth to YOU? How in life am I going to spend what little time i have to get the most satisfaction. Iād rather be playing in the garden with zero noticeable results but learn something than sit on Facebook and pretend IGAF about people I never talk to, or watch some garbage on television or watch a movie. I have made and use calphos, ohn, ffj, fpj, and labs. I use all 5 regularly. Does it have some super breakthrough technology? No, but to ME itās time well spent.
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Brewers yeast, anyone tried it?
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Iām asking as itās high in yummy nutrients
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Just found this link
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2015/09/15/modified-yeast-marijuana/#.WpbWmZ-IY0M
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I found this in a forum called THCfarmer
Heres a npk list a dude named sophisto pasted on another site that ive been thinking aboutā¦
Alfalfa Hay: 2.45/05/2.1
Apple Fruit: 0.05/0.02/0.1
Apple Leaves: 1.0/0.15/0.4
Apple Pomace: 0.2/0.02/0.15
Apple skins(ash) : 0/3.0/11/74
Banana Residues (ash): 1.75/0.75/0.5
Barley (grain): 0/0/0.5
Barley (straw): 0/0/1.0
Basalt Rock: 0/0/1.5
Bat Guano: 5.0-8.0/4.0-5.0/1.0
Beans, garden(seed and hull): 0.25/0.08/03
Beet Wastes: 0.4/0.4/0.7-4.1
Blood meal: 15.0/0/0
Bone Black: 1.5/0/0
Bonemeal (raw): 3.3-4.1/21.0/0.2
Bonemeal (steamed): 1.6-2.5/21.0/0.2
Brewery Wastes (wet): 1.0/0.5/0.05
Buckwheat straw: 0/0/2.0
Cantaloupe Rinds (ash): 0/9.77/12.0
Castor pomace: 4.0-6.6/1.0-2.0/1.0-2.0
Cattail reeds and water lily stems: 2.0/0.8/3.4
Cattail Seed: 0.98/0.25/0.1
Cattle Manure (fresh): 0.29/0.25/0.1
Cherry Leaves: 0.6/0/0.7
Chicken Manure (fresh): 1.6/1.0-1.5/0.6-1.0
Clover: 2/0/0/0 (also contains calcium)
Cocoa Shell Dust: 1.0/1.5/1.7 Coffee Grounds: 2.0/0.36/0.67
Corn (grain): 1.65/0.65/0.4
Corn (green forage): 0.4/0.13/0.33
Corn cobs: 0/0/2.0
Corn Silage: 0.42/0/0
Cornstalks: 0.75/0/0.8
Cottonseed hulls (ash): 0/8.7/23.9Cottonseed Meal: 7.0/2.0-3.0/1.8
Cotton Wastes (factory): 1.32/0.45/0.36
Cowpea Hay: 3.0/0/2.3
Cowpeas (green forage): 0.45/0.12/0.45
Cowpeas (seed): 3.1/1.0/1.2
Crabgrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Crabs (dried, ground): 10.0/0/0 (I personally just crush the shells with my foot)
Crabs (fresh): 5.0/3.6/0.2
Cucumber Skins (ash): 0/11.28/27.2 ( WOW!!! Who knew???)
Dried Blood: 10.0-14.0/1.0-5.0/0
Duck Manure (fresh): 1.12/1.44/0.6
Eggs: 2.25/0.4/0.15
Eggshells: 1.19/0.38/0.14
Feathers: 15.3/0/0
Felt Wastes: 14.0/0/1.0
Field Beans (seed): 4.0/1.2/1.3
Feild Beans (shells): 1.7/0.3/1.3
Fish (dried, ground): 8.0/7.0/0
Fish Scraps (fresh): 6.5/3.75/0
Gluten Meal: 6.4/0/0
Granite Dust: 0/0/3.0-5.5
Grapefruit Skins (ash): 0/3.6/30.6 (And people throw these things away? Wow!)
Grape Leaves: 0.45/0.1/0.4
Grape Pomace: 1.0/0.07/0.3
Grass (imature): 1.0/0/1.2
Greensand: 0/1.5/7.0
Hair: 14/0/0/0
Hoof and Horn Meal: 12.5/2.0/0
Horse Manure (fresh): 0.44/0.35/0.3
Incinerator Ash: 0.24/5.15/2.33
Jellyfish (dried): 4.6/0/0
Kentucky Bluegrass (green): 0.66/0.19/0.71
Kentucky Bluegrass (hay): 1.2/0.4/2.0
Leather Dust: 11.0/0/0
Lemon Culls: 0.15/0.06/0.26
Lemon Skins (ash): 06.33/1.0
Lobster Refuse: 4.5/3.5/0
Milk: 0.5/0.3/0.18
Millet Hay: 1.2/0/3.2
Molasses Residue
(From alcohol manufacture): 0.7/0/5.32
Molasses Waste
(From Sugar refining): 0/0/3.0-4.0
Mud (fresh water): 1.37/0.26/0.22
Mud (harbour): 0.99/0.77/0.05
Mud (salt): 0.4.0/0
Mussels: 1.0/0.12/0.13
Nutshells: 2.5/0/0
Oak Leaves: 0.8/0.35/0.2
Oats (grain): 2.0/0.8/0.6
Oats (green fodder): 0.49/0/0
Oat straw: 0/0/1.5
Olive Pomace: 1.15/0.78/1.3
Orange Culls: 0.2/0.13/0.21
Orange Skins: 0/3.0/27.0 (Right up there with Grapefruit. Note: both can attract fruit flies so, bury them in the compost)
Oyster Shells: 0.36/0/0
Peach Leaves: 0.9/0.15/0.6
Pea forage: 1.5-2.5/0/1.4
Peanuts (seed/kernals): 3.6/0.7/0.45
Peanut Shells: 3.6/0.15/0.5 (I grind them up in the food processor first)
Pea Pods (ash): 0/3.0/9.0 (I cut them up with a pair of scissors while shelling them)
Pea (vines): 0.25/0/0.7
Pear Leaves: 0.7/0/0.4
Pigeon manure (fresh): 4.19/2.24/1.0
Pigweed (rough): 0.6/0.1/0
Pine Needles: 0.5/0.12/0.03
Potato Skins (ash): 0/5.18/27.5
Potaote Tubers: 0.35/0.15/2.5
Potatoe Vines (dried): 0.6/0.16/1.6
Prune Refuse: 0.18/0.07/0.31
Pumpkins (fresh): 0.16/0.07/0.26
Rabbitbrush (ash): 0/0/13.04
Rabbit Manure: 2.4/1.4/0.6
Ragweed: 0.76/0.26/0
Rapeseed meal: 0/1.0=2.0/1.0=3.0
Raspberry leaves: 1.45/0/0.6
Red clover hay: 2.1/0.6/2.1
Redrop Hay: 1.2/0.35/1.0
Rock and Mussel Deposits
From Ocean: 0.22/0.09/1.78
Roses (flowers): 0.3/0.1/0.4
Rye Straw: 0/0/1.0
Salt March Hay: 1.1/0.25/0.75
Sardine Scrap: 8.0/7.1/0
Seaweed (dried): 1.1-1.5/0.75/4.9 (Seaweed is loaded with micronutrients including: Boron, Iodine, Magnesium and so on.)
Seaweed (fresh): 0.2-0.4/0/0
Sheep and Goat Manure (fresh): 0.55/0.6/0.3
Shoddy and Felt: 8.0/0/0
Shrimp Heads (dried): 7.8/4.2/0
Shrimp Wastes: 2.9/10.0/0
Siftings From Oyster Shell Mounds: 0.36/10.38/0.09
Silk Mill Wastes: 8.0/1.14/1.0
Silkworm Cocoons:10.0/1.82/1.08
Sludge: 2.0/1.9/0.3
Sludge (activated): 5.0/2.5-4.0/0.6
Smokehouse/Firepit Ash:0/0/4.96 (I put the ashes from my smoker in the pile)
Sorghum Straw:0/0/1.0
Soybean Hay: 1.5-3.0/0/1.2-2.3
Starfish: 1.8/0.2/0.25
Sugar Wastes (raw): 2.0/8.0/0
Sweet Potatoes: 0.25/0.1/0.5
Swine Manure (fresh): 0.6/0.45/0.5
Tanbark Ash: 0/0.34/3.8
Tanbark Ash (spent): 0/1.75/2.0
Tankage: 3.0-11.0/2.0-5.0/0
Tea Grounds: 4.15/0.62/0.4
Timothy Hay: 1.2/0.55/1.4
Tobacco Leaves: 4.0/0.5/6.0
Tobacco Stems: 2.5-3.7/0.6-0.9/4.5-7.0
Tomatoe Fruit: 0.2/0.07/0.35 (A note on tomatoe fruit: These should be hot composted. I just let any rotted or insect eaten tomatoes compost in the soil beneath the plants and have āfreebeesā come back each consecutive year. Hot composting will kill the seeds.)
Tomatoe Leaves: 0.35/0.1/0.4
Tomatoe Stalks: 0.35/0.1/0.5
Tung Oil Pumace: 6.1/0/0
Vetch Hay: 2.8/0/2.3
Waste Silt: 9.5/0/0
Wheat Bran: 2.4/2.9/1.6
Wheat (grain): 2.0/0.85/0.5
Wheat Straw: 0.5/0.15/0.8
White Clover (Green): 0.5/0.2/0.3
Winter Rye Hay: 0/0/1.0
Wood Ash: 0/1.0-2.0/6.0-10.0 (A note on Wood ash: Wood Ash can contain chemicals that could harm plants and also carcinogens so, they should be composted in moderation)
Wool Wastes: 3.5-6.0/2.0-4.0/1.0-3.5
Hope itās of any use
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Cool concept!! Good read!!
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Wow did some wood ashes to the plants in flower but may just incorporate some citrus peels into the fire also ! Thanks for sharing @curiouscat!
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Itās a way of giving back
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Holy crap, I was looking for a good potassium source, I eat 1 or 2 grapefruits a day. Going to dig all the skins out the recycle bin now. I didnāt think citrus fruit was good for worms, never thought about cremating it either.
Cheers Mr Cat.
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You donāt have to smoke them @Shadey, just burn them. 
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Ummmhh that has to be rinds and all! here goes the chant! SHADEY! SHADEY! SHADEY!
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Ok, I will rephrase that, I was looking for a good potassium source for my plants. I get plenty of it from other things including the grapefruit.
Think I might cook up the skins in the barbecue. Already got 2 freezer bags full, after dragging it all out the bin. Going to be doing potatoes and orange peelings in the BBQ as well.
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